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Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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I am living in Iran and shadowsocks was by far the best tunneling software I have ever used, and believe me I've used almost ANYTHING! I appreciate the efforts of clowwindy and it's talented developers and hope the development keep going. That might be nice if some independent organization take ownership of the project so other individuals feel safer contributing to it.

It's not like the source code isn't still there, in the initial 'deleted' repo, not to mention several hundred forks.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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This is a slipper slope if I've ever seen one. Aid to Syrian rebels is already known, one of the parties to which a proxy war might be a somewhat reasonable assumption. However, given the long involvement of the US in Iraq, this is a very far-fetched conspiracy theory to say the least.

You may want to read this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-... A lot of these guys ended up in ISIS, it would be foolish to assume otherwise. If you view America's foreign policy aim as maintaining an unstable middle east, then it's not a slippery slope argument.

Is also possibly an idiot-trap on a grand scale. If you have a widely dispersed enemy, leave some treats in an area that can be encircled.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #440

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What's the bodycount? Incidentally, may I ask how far back in history you are going, is it something more recent than this: > In October 1950, the People's Liberation Army entered the Tibetan area of Chamdo, defeating sporadic resistance from the Tibetan army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet#1950_to_prese... This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Tibetan_unrest#Casualties...

Using your logic, spraying a country with mustard gas is better than killing half of their citizens, as the body count is smaller.

Which crime is worse is the question you should be asking, instead of trying to invert the interpretation for reasons unknown.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #234

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In my experience ... spending a lot of time working in China ... most people use Astrill or ExpressVPN. I'm surprised no one has mentioned them here yet. They own the VPN market in China. Almost every senior developer I've met here subscribes to one or the other -- with Astrill being far ahead in terms of user base. They both champion their "stealth" options and other than the odd day you don't really notice the GFW.…

I don't understand, who can afford US$1000 per month? I'm assuming only medium-large businesses, so do they divide up these "international lines" among their employees or something? Can these employees also use these lines at home, or only in the office?

It's for business of course, mainly international companies I guess. Local companies don't need to cross the firewall. Employees can only use these lines in the office. Actually most Chinese are not aware of the existence of the Great Firewall (GFW), really bad.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #115

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In the context of a Chinese hacker fearing prison this is awfully cynical hyperbole.

It's obviously far worse in china, but still. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen

Agreed. And even in the small world of my college, this happened for a student writing some filesharing code.

http://dailyprincetonian.com/news/2003/05/peng-riaa-settle-i...

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #317

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You mean like "Only 10,000 of your people died. 20,000 of theirs did, so your atrocity isn't as important as theirs."? Helluva world view.

I certainly think 20,000 deaths is worse than 10,000 deaths yes. I believe there is a much greater discrepancy than 2x, between the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and ongoing drone strikes inflicting civilian casualties, and Chinese incursions into Tibet. That's not to say I support China in their incursions into Tibet. I am very sympathetic to those who have had atrocities committed towards them. I do think however that…

To suggest all atrocities are equal is weak.

To suggest they aren't is morally bankrupt. Keeping score over which atrocity is worse than the other and using that as a benchmark of give-a-fuck is suffering porn, and engaging in it is a defect in your humanity.

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Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #54

I was visiting China recently (my first time there). I thought bypassing The Great Firewall was going to be as simple as an "ssh -D" SOCKS setup, or a "ssh -w" tunnel. Oh boy, I was wrong. If you try this, or even a basic OpenVPN setup, you will quickly find out your VPN works fine for about 5 minutes, but then latency increases to 5sec, 10sec, 30sec(!), and then everything times out. After some research I read onlin…

Some of my friends have had success with VPNGate.

http://www.vpngate.net/en/

It's based on SoftEther VPN, which happens to be open-source and cross platform.

http://www.softether.org/

I'm using it for most of my VPN setups and I've generally found it to be superior to OpenVPN in every aspect (performance, usability, protocol support, obfuscation, etc).

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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Leave to where? To a country where 1. a few rich people control the entire political process by buying out politicians. 2. where there are frequent shootings and you are never safe due to some idiotic Constitutional amendment. 3. where regularly unarmed minorities are shot dead by the police and the majority jury allow them to go unpunished. 4. where there is no mandate to give workers paid leave include those with a…

No, to the country that is: 1) A leader in freedom of speech, press freedom, property rights protections, general freedom of movement, and is low on the corruption index. One of the few countries with extraordinarily well protected freedom of speech rights enshrined at the core of the nation. 2) Has a rapidly adaptive culture, able to implement changes at a fast pace despite its immense scale. That includes things li…

Is this a joke?

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #54

I was visiting China recently (my first time there). I thought bypassing The Great Firewall was going to be as simple as an "ssh -D" SOCKS setup, or a "ssh -w" tunnel. Oh boy, I was wrong. If you try this, or even a basic OpenVPN setup, you will quickly find out your VPN works fine for about 5 minutes, but then latency increases to 5sec, 10sec, 30sec(!), and then everything times out. After some research I read onlin…

The Chinese authorities neither understand how FOSS works nor the Streisand Effect.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #323

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Escalating the issue could be a good thing, even if people suffer. The problem with technological oppression like censoring or pervasively surveilling the Internet is that it's invisible and there's very little organised outcry. Just look at Snowden revelations. Nothing has changed, and most people simply don't care. Effectively once the requirements for bypassing the GFW become harder to deploy than a few clicks, fr…

My point was not whether this would be a good thing or bad, but to point out a likely consequence.

More likely they'd just buy up all the satco's and run the thing out of business.
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