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Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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> This is an absolutely baffling article. The job market for developers is not glutted by over-supply, it's one where marginally-qualified people get hired for salaries well above the national average because companies need SOMEONE to do the job. And virtually nowhere cares about degrees, especially for experienced devs. I've had about 40-50% of places reject me due to a lack of degree. A couple even sent me hopeful…

Those places are silly. We'd hire you if you can do low-level stuff. (background check too, but I guess you'd pass based on other posts)

I'm happy where I am at the moment but thanks. :)

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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Fewer people they need to monitor with the level of scrutiny, people with clearance safely assume they are being monitored at.

Interesting, I didn't realize it was considered an ongoing process. I guess that makes sense; otherwise a bad actor would just apply for clearance, get cleared, and then start doing things they shouldn't.

They don't actually tell you explicitly it is an ongoing process, but everyone with clearance I know seems to acknowledge they are probably being kept tabs on at least a little. I mean it would seem kind of irrational to have all these watch lists and not watch the people with privileged information.

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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Where in the world does the author live??? I live in the Upper Midwest USA, and there is no shortage of local jobs at banks, health care, tech companies, and the one-off positions at obscure businesses. Now, hanging my programmer shingle out on the internet and Jesus - there are remote jobs pouring in from everywhere who pay even more. I've got a Mechanical Engineering and Masters degree, 14 years dev experience on m…

Do you think some of these places are also looking for "entry level" positions as well?

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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I took my linkedin profile down b/c I was tired of dealing with recruiters. I work for a top 5 Fortune 500 company making ~70k 1.5 years out of college in ATL. I've interviewed with a couple companies just to see what it's like out there. I usually ask for some ridiculous salary b/c that's the only way I would leave my current job. I find the interviewing process stupid. I had one company ask me to code up a fully fu…

Do you consider these sorts of interviews fair? I don't see how re-writing something you've already showed them accounts for many things (aside from working under a time constraint)

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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This is an absolutely baffling article. The job market for developers is not glutted by over-supply, it's one where marginally-qualified people get hired for salaries well above the national average because companies need SOMEONE to do the job. And virtually nowhere cares about degrees, especially for experienced devs. And having a single development job at a big company for a decade isn't some kind of career-killing…

The problem is getting access to this hidden job market. Where are the companies that hire these barely qualified developers because that is the best they can do?

It must be a myth since why is there such an oversupply of developers vs companies on sites like elance.90 % of the developers of sites like these have never been awarded one job even.

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

#436

This is an absolutely baffling article. The job market for developers is not glutted by over-supply, it's one where marginally-qualified people get hired for salaries well above the national average because companies need SOMEONE to do the job. And virtually nowhere cares about degrees, especially for experienced devs. And having a single development job at a big company for a decade isn't some kind of career-killing…

I think this overlooks the difference between qualified and credentialed. In the valley, there are plenty of experienced and uncredentialed people working great jobs. There are relatively few unqualified people doing the same, except when hiring squeezes exceedingly tight. Outside the valley, defending the decision to hire someone without credentials is virtually impossible. There may be plenty of interest, but someo…

The generalization between valley vs. not valley here seems a bit too strict. I'm in the Boston community and there is not an irrational focus on credentials here. My good friend just completed a code bootcamp and got hired in Chicago. I think at least any sizable tech city will behave like this in the present climate.

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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How are they poor choices? Methinks you're just looking in wrong places if they're languages you want to continue using at a job. Embedded is hot right now, so sign up for the Jack Ganssle's Embedded Muse Newsletter http://www.ganssle.com/tem-subunsub.html . The jobs are going to be mostly US based, but some place to start. And look for companies that you know are going to be using C/CPP from their products. Even if…

They are poor choices because most jobs available to me are for java/ruby/python/etc... I personally like Lua (that I NEVER saw a job opening for this), and C and C++ that I learned as a kid. When I find the rare C or C++ job, usually they want 20+ years of experience or soemthing impossible like taht to me (I am 27 years old, obviously I can't have 20 years of experience), or are jobs in other countries, but unwilli…

I do feel kinda like you, though I'm more of a "jack of all trades". You can find C jobs in the embedded industry, in Brazil, have you considered it?

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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Well, GoogBookSoft comes to Canada every year and wastes many millions sponsoring J1s, TNs, H1Bs, and relocation while paying the same salaries as they do to Americans. Why would they do that if there was no shortage of qualified American programmers in the bay?

To hold down wages? If there were any shortage, why are IT wages absolutely flat? If there were any shortage, why the famous pickiness exhibited by every company in their interview process? http://cis.org/no-stem-shortage

They're not mutually exclusive.

If there is a shortage and companies go abroad to fill positions, they're technically 'holding down wages'. Otherwise wages would skyrocket into the atmosphere as more and more money chases the same few engineers. Less value would be produced at a higher cost.

I don't see why that would be a preferable situation for the industry or the country at large. Are you really struggling on your measly $100k + stock (at minimum) and desperately need more?

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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The official government pay scales are orderly and consistent--consistently lower than private sector pay. They also contain a lot of hidden benefits. Once you cross into contracting, there is no pay scale. The pay rules are largely set by the contracts. And there are thousands of contracts, all different. The pay rates in these contracts are not necessarily connected in any way to current market rates, or indeed any…

I was once sent an accountant's spreadsheet by mistake at one of my former employers. They were paying me about $45/hr. They were billing the govt... significantly more than $90/hr for my time :)

If you are disabled, native-American, female, or a veteran, you can make quite a bit of money just by being 51% owner of a company that submits contract bids and subcontracts the actual work for anything they might win out to someone else.

Awarding of government contracts is explicitly discriminatory. The practice just creates figurehead companies, and all the same people end up doing all the same work, at a far greater cost, but without any more pay or benefits to the workers that might possibly boost productivity.

You don't want to look too closely at that business. Keep taking the blue pill. You absolutely do not want to even get a rough estimate of the ratio of money that goes to people who just know the right people versus the amount that goes to people who actually perform necessary and useful tasks.

Just don't go to work in that sector if you can avoid it. Ignorance is bliss.

I have literally overheard government employees saying to one another that they can't convert contractor-employees into government employees--potentially saving tens of millions of dollars out of the budget--because the exact people doing those specific jobs, with more than ten years of experience in doing those jobs, who would be more than happy to continue doing them, would not even show up on the first page of candidates due to "preference points", and they could not extend a reasonable offer to them anyway--which would be the exact amount they already earn doing that job--thanks to the rigid pay schedules. The system is broken by design, and there is an entire class of trough-feeding middlemen that benefit, without offering any sort of meaningful contribution. That's the very thing that Eisenhower warned us about, and the Reagan administration was probably the last that could have stopped it. But they chose to accelerate it instead. So now, barring some sort of catastrophic rebellion, it's here to stay.

That's why I'm somewhat amused by the furor over the Manning/Snowden leaks. There's already more than enough info to make you lose your faith in government forever, freely available as public records. No one even bothers to look at those, because they are mostly quick cures for insomnia. It's just like John Oliver said: the public has no way to relate to it on a personal level. For the classified leaks, you have to couch it in terms of the NSA looking at your dick pics. For the stuff already out there, freely available to anyone who might want to read it, I'm not sure there's a way to do that. There are so many legal ways to unethically convert public funds into private pocket money, and so many people doing it without a shred of shame or remorse, that there's really no way to psychologically connect to it.

Re: The Unemployable Programmer

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If you're getting millions of hits per week, you might want to consider doing something to monetize the open source project...

That's what I was thinking. Find something 1 in 1000 would pay a dollar for and you're golden.

1,000,000 / 1,000 = $1,000. Hardly golden. Still, I take your point, with a million eyeballs you don't have to monetize much to make a pretty penny.
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