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Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by eropple »

yellowapple wrote: post #413
geofft wrote: post #315

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Google also happens to be behind the Chromebook effort, so I would be surprised if they don't do any testing on Chromebooks.

Maybe some testing of, say, a few tabs, but I'd be very surprised if a significant number of Chrome devs (or any Chrome devs, for that matter) use Chromebooks for Chrome development ( maybe the Chromebook Pixel, but even that seems unlikely). The Chromebook is optimized toward content consumption; while I'm sure it's possible to do serious programming on ChromeOS (just as it's possible to do serious programming on An…

Anecdotal, but I know a decent number of Googlers using Pixels as their daily (development) machines, SSHing off into the abyss. YMM, of course, V.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by jarcane »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #268
lucian1900 wrote: post #158

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It's not cross-platform.

That doesn't make it a toy. It makes it a bad choice if you need a browser to be cross-platform, but not everyone has that as a prerequisite. Safari tends to get sand kicked in its face a lot when people talk about browsers, but it's actually the one I keep finding myself coming back to. I got frustrated recently by Safari's JS performance on certain web sites (ones with badly written JS web chat clients, I think, bu…

It's always been a toy on Windows.

I absolutely agree that on MacOS, it's a solid option. The OS X version is a very good browser, and not to be dismissed.

The Windows version however was always an also ran, a weird proof-of-concept release more than anything. It was never seriously marketed, it made ludicrous design decisions, wouldn't play ball with the OS, and has since been more or less completely abandoned. You have to go digging just to find it, and it hasn't been updated since Snow Leopard.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by Zancarius »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #370
Zancarius wrote: post #325

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Edit: I want to apologize to eridal. I misread his/her statement and though the browser in question was Chrome, not Firefox. So, public apolgy: I'm very sorry, eridal. I thought you wrote something you did not. My comment was wrong as a result. I have corrected my mistake, and wish to apologize to you personally for misreading what you wrote. Original message with the offending part removed, mistakenly assuming erida…

I don't doubt. Firefox with hundreds of tabs works well with 4GB RAM, and somewhat bearable on 2GB, with occasional restart once per week or so to clean it up. On the other hand, I wasn't able to use Chrome the same way I use Firefox on PC with 8GB RAM.

> I don't doubt.

I misread eridal's comment. :) I thought he/she said they were using Chrome, not Firefox, hence my understandable surprise!

I've corrected my mistake. Sorry about the confusion. Surprised no one else picked it up...

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by vfclists »

smsm42 wrote: post #385
FilterJoe wrote: post #177

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The problem is using many open tabs with Chrome. If you use no more than 3 or 4 tabs, Chrome is generally fine. If you use more than that, Firefox has some built-in features to help with tabs such as delayed tab loading and tab grouping. It also has more and better extensions for helping with multiple tabs. Furthermore, it doesn't launch a new process for each tab. In a browser comparison I wrote last month, I includ…

This extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspende... helped me a lot keeping multiple tabs under control. I tend to leave tabs open for days, sometimes weeks, and come to them later. I don't want to waste memory all that time to just keep a tab open. So this extension helps with that.

The one at Chrome store is rather dated. The latest one is available at https://github.com/deanoemcke/thegreatsuspender, and must be installed in developer mode. t

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Post by keypusher »

GrinningFool wrote: post #409
jcoffland wrote: post #245

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I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

I find this essentially when I run high numbers of tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... Though another comment has led me to wonder if FF doesn't have something similar built-in.

Tree Style Tabs is essential if you keep many tabs open. Not only does it make it possible to read the window titles and use screen real estate more effectively, it facilitates tab hierachies (parent page A opened links to B, C, D, parent page B opened links to E, F, G, etc).

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by eropple »

marcosdumay wrote: post #307
hackuser wrote: post #190

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> I left Firefox mainly because it was measurably slower than Chrome at the time (and not by a small margin) I have no idea what your experience was, of course. Many people said this for years while Firefox consistently won or tied in objective comparisons. Having dealt with end-user complaints for years, I've learned to doubt reports that rely on subjective perceptions of things like 'speed'. Sometimes the new, cool…

There was a time where Firefox was slow, used lots and lots of memory, and crashed all the time. And yet, developers doubted that was true at bug discussions. It took some time, but the developers finally convinced themselves that the problem existed, and started fixing it. It also took some time to fix most thing, but now Firefox is stable and fast. Nowadays Chrome it is slow and too "smart". Anyway, complete compar…

YMMV, but--after switching over to Firefox recently--I have it space out at random. Chrome has problems (its penchant for lighting my laptop on fire being the biggest reason I switched) but I don't have it just stop in the middle of my day.

The toss-up between junk battery life thanks to badly designed attempts to shoe-horn an application model into a document model (and Google employs plenty of the worst offenders, my biggest perf suck under both Firefox and Chrome is GMail!) and random stops is disgusting. Gary Bernhardt's right: we put up with entirely too much bullshit in this part of our lives.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by malkia »

Wow! Hold right there. Chrome uses shared memory among it's spawned processes on all operating systems.

If you use Task Manager (Windows) / Activity Monitor (OSX) or something similar in Linux, you would see memory over-reported.

Google for this: http://www.google.com/search?q=chrome+"shared+memory"

Some info: http://www.chromium.org/developers/memory-usage-backgrounder

Some more info: http://blog.chromium.org/2008/09/google-chrome-memory-usage-...

Best tool to see the memory usage is chrome itself: about://memory -> check the real sum at the end of the page.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by vandahm »

cpeterso wrote: post #343
dragonshed wrote: post #174

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This. Have the scales tipped the other way recently? Chrome still feels faster to me, but I only have one active extension (Ad Blocker).

The Ad Block Plus extension is itself a notorious memory and CPU hog [1]. Chrome's slimmer uBlock extension has now been ported to Firefox [2]. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2014/05/14/adblock-plus... [2] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases

Thanks for the link to uBlock. I've been growing frustrated with Ghostery and AdBlock Plus, but didn't know of a good alternative. I'm giving uBlock a try, and so far, so good.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by igl »

I do not understand this article. You can't load up any browser with add-ons and bookmarks for a few months and then complain about it being slower than a fresh install of another one.

I hardly use any add-ons other than ad-block and a handful of selected ones and do not have the problems described. Quite the opposite actually! I do have the occasional freezes and crashes with ff using webgl, html5 video and even firebug (with less than 10 tabs open).

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