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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, we've been together for 25 years now, married for 21. We met through a mutual friend (he was dating her at the time - we're both still friends with him, and see him somewhat regularly socially). It's just worked, over these long years of struggle, in part because we balance each other. Her social life revolves around a very short list of very close friends. The people she loves, she loves , and she's incredibly…
That's a good story to learn about. Why were you tired of your "ladykiller lifestyle"?
Didn't mind the ladykilling. :)
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
You got any suggestions for the "structured organization" besides the fraternity? I'm out of college now and I'm looking for a group.
You are looking for a group, but yet you do not have contact information in your profile.
Why do you need my contact info? I don't really care about keeping it private, I just never posted it.
edit: I just checked. My email has always been in my profile....
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like the OP, I find myself often wondering how people met, how they clicked, how they keep it going. With you describing your wife as very introverted, fearing interaction with new people (I could describe myself the same way) and describing yourself as an extrovert, how did you two meet, click, make it work? I find that with me being like your wife in that regard, I've had an extremely difficult time even meeting so…
Well, we've been together for 25 years now, married for 21. We met through a mutual friend (he was dating her at the time - we're both still friends with him, and see him somewhat regularly socially). It's just worked, over these long years of struggle, in part because we balance each other. Her social life revolves around a very short list of very close friends. The people she loves, she loves , and she's incredibly…
And a hearty congratulations on passing the 20-year mark! Seriously, in today's climate, I count that as a huge win. With you being an (apparently) attractive extrovert who "holds court" (laughed out loud at that one), your options are very open. Thanks for helping to give us guys a good name by staying loyal and loving to your wife. If she doesn't outright say it to you, she's likely very thankful that you choose her on a daily basis, given the circumstance.
Now, if your wife has a 40-year-old twin sister...
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean "the success of PUA" ? Do you mean success in attracting women? We can't take pick up artists at face value when they say how many women they've seduced. How do we know they don't exaggerate? Even if they don't, how can we rule out that their success rates are below average, and they succeed with brute force (asking out lots and lots of women)? Or, by success, are you referring to the popularity of p…
> Actually giving a shit about people, taking time to learn their unique differences, caring for them and doing right by them, that takes so much work. It's about 50/50 in my anecdotal experience that half of them doesn't give a shit or is basically assholes. > It would be so much easier if there were just 3 steps to making anyone your friend. That's actually not true. It's actually a skill and some of these guys, in…
> That's actually not true. It's actually a skill and
> some of these guys, including me, have spent years
> going out twice a week, 5 days a week, to acquire
> this skill.
What we're seeing in this thread (and everywhere, really) is that this skill is so intuitive to many people that they don't even recognize that it's a skill others have to work at.I'm kind of in the middle. I was an awkward kid but I worked hard at figuring out how to socialize over the years and now it actually comes pretty naturally to me. (Not that I'm a master charmer today or anything!)
But I respect that this skill is something that a lot of people struggle at. And I think that getting people started on the right path might be simpler than other people think - some people benefit from having allegedly "intuitive" concepts spelled out to them, such as "a good conversationalist will ask questions about the other person."
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like the OP, I find myself often wondering how people met, how they clicked, how they keep it going. With you describing your wife as very introverted, fearing interaction with new people (I could describe myself the same way) and describing yourself as an extrovert, how did you two meet, click, make it work? I find that with me being like your wife in that regard, I've had an extremely difficult time even meeting so…
Well, we've been together for 25 years now, married for 21. We met through a mutual friend (he was dating her at the time - we're both still friends with him, and see him somewhat regularly socially). It's just worked, over these long years of struggle, in part because we balance each other. Her social life revolves around a very short list of very close friends. The people she loves, she loves , and she's incredibly…
> She often brings me to social events to run interference
> for her.
As a married guy in a totally different sort of introvert/extrovert mix, this was wonderful to read! I love the "we're a mismatch, and that's why it's fun" attitude.My wife and I are an odd mix because I'm simultaneously the "charmer" and the introvert who needs a lot of time alone. She's the extrovert, but also has trouble reading people, so people either love her or are unintentionally "rubbed the wrong way" by her immediately.
So in our social interactions we often wind up with the introvert (me) "running interference" or more often smoothing things over for the extrovert... haha.
It works, though, and it's fun. She's amazing and without her I'd probably be a hermit with a squirrel living in my beard.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you're a true introvert, your biggest enemy is yourself. It's your desire to be alone. It's your preference for living by yourself, for quiet moments away from others, for nights spent at home, watching Netflix or playing games. Making friends means making an effort to hang out with them, even when it doesn't seem like the most immediately pleasurable, comfortable, or convenient thing to do at any given moment.…
Exactly. It's about balance. In my case, my introversion is strong enough that I usually let it have its way. If I find myself doing that too often, I try to be mindful of it and moderate it. It's work, though. Friendships need work. I have a hell of a time explaining this to my more extraverted friends -- many of whom "don't see it," because I'm not particularly shy or reserved in social settings. (Incidentally, I'v…
> I have a hell of a time explaining this to my more extraverted
> friends -- many of whom "don't see it," because I'm not
> particularly shy or reserved in social settings. [...]
> because people don't "buy" my introversion. They just think
> I'm avoiding them.)
God, yes. Huge sad ongoing thing in my life. This is a constant thing I do. I'm not awkward, so I make these friendships, and then I unintentionally hurt people with my introverted tendencies.I feel you.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#438Be sure what you know you apply. Don't expect a change by just reading it.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#439Here is a lesson I've learned the long, hard way after 30 years of being a strong introvert: it's not how or where you meet people that counts. It's how you stay in touch. Look around you. Every day, in every situation imaginable, there are hundreds of ways to meet people. There really are. You could strike up a conversation with a stranger on a subway. You could ask for some advice from the girl ahead of you in line…
> If you're a true introvert, your biggest enemy is yourself. It's your desire to be alone. It's your preference for living by yourself, for quiet moments away from others, for nights spent at home, watching Netflix or playing games. Making friends means making an effort to hang out with them, even when it doesn't seem like the most immediately pleasurable, comfortable, or convenient thing to do at any given moment.…
I had the same problem with introversion. And people are often surprised because I seem very outgoing. I followed a very clear path to get to where I am and it's outlined below. There are some very simple things you can do right now to make progress. I felt like I had to change my entire wardrobe, personality, and gain muscle. None of this was necessary and just lowered my self esteem.
First, find a pickup group. Just google around or contact me. Then go out with that group and try the following things in order. Do each one several times. If one of them is too easy then just skip it. I had to start at the very bottom. It was that bad for me, but pickup helped me be social and outgoing naturally, so it's not just about women.
1. Go to a supermarket or a mall and just ask questions from a female cashier. Say you're getting a gift for a female friend. Say you don't like her, but she likes you. This is super fun. 2. Go up to 10 random people in a supermarket or wherever and give them a compliment on something. I felt really good after doing this. It taught me that communication that isn't technically productive can bring people a lot of joy. 3. Get used to approaching women -- any women at all. Go into a mall or any place with lots of people and approach the first 3 women you see. They don't have to be pretty; you don't have to like them. They can be old or young. It's important that you do not discriminate. It helps build a reflex to approach women, and prevents you from having to decide who to approach and who to avoid. This one thing has helped me more than I can tell you. 4. Once you're somewhat comfortable approaching women, then just see how long you can stay in the conversation. 5. Then near the middle of each conversation ask for the woman's phone number. 6. Then get used to asking women to go on a date with you, even if you're not interested.
All of the above is practice and necessary. Then when you meet a girl you really like while going out then you will know what to do. I glossed over a lot of details, but I'm sure you can do this.
Your pickup group can become your first group of friends. It's a little weird at first, but many of them are still my friends. You can tell them things that are too intimate to discuss with even a girlfriend. My group helped me a lot. And you need that positivity because hitting on girls is hard. You'll get rejected a lot. But that negative feedback will tell you exactly what you need to improve.
Women's minds are hardwired to be attracted to men who are socially intelligent. By practicing pickup you will naturally become socially intelligent. This social intelligence has helped me get more friends, land more interviews, negotiate, and even helped me get into events for free.
Pickup is not for the faint of heart, but I'd still be lost without it. I say it's worth a shot.
Contact me naivegenius@gmail.com
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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#440I think there are a few factors. Being introvert is just one. Being an immigrant is an important factor too (I assume since you mentioned you are not native English speaker). It is not easy being an immigrant (in a new environment and new society, sometimes all by yourself), and combining being introvert it is definitely harder.
I suggest the best way is to start small. Start with things you can do. For example, maybe get a car? If you are an engineer I suppose financial wise this is not a big problem? In the US being able to drive around and move around on your own is very important, since public transportation is very limited. This will give you a sense of being in charge, being more able to initiate actions, instead of waiting for people to pick you up because you don't have a car.
AS far as friends go, it would be easier to start with people with similar backgrounds instead of local people, especially for an introvert. (But if you have opportunity to talk to local people, by all means do it as well.) Do you know other people in your company that is around your age and is also immigrant / Asian? Another way to reach out is to find people with similar interests. A sports club (soccer, tennis, whatever) if that is your thing, or a reading group?
Another thing for me, (not sure if it is for you) is that I have to tell myself to "open up" a little bit, not afraid of making mistakes or being awkward. This is kind of chicken-and-egg. You need confidence to feel free to try and not care about mistakes. You also need to not make many mistakes to have confidence. But as a non-native, sure there are a lot of mistakes to make, English or other wise. I guess I can only start "faking" it first (wink). Or maybe a change in attitude: instead of feeling dead-fish when making a mistake, try to think of it as something funny. (Language mistakes actually can make a good funny story when talking to friends.) When one can laugh at himself, other people feel at ease too.
Hope you will get better through time.