I wonder if it's the last present Ballmer left to whoever succeeds him, or the last spat.
Nokia acquired by Microsoft
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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft
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The fact that a lot of people would have bought the phone doesn't mean it would result in profit. Lots of people by HTC phones, but that company is circling the drain. The problem is that an Android phone is a commodity. Its hard to differentiate yourself on the product side. That means you're in extreme price/specs competition. That drives profits towards zero, just as they are on other commodity platforms like the…
What would you choose: small profits, or no customers? That's the choice. Android was "IBM PC trick", and competititors trying to preserve high margins and differentiate their products will end like Amiga, Commodore or Atari.
Or, they'll end up like Apple
Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that a lot of people would have bought the phone doesn't mean it would result in profit. Lots of people by HTC phones, but that company is circling the drain. The problem is that an Android phone is a commodity. Its hard to differentiate yourself on the product side. That means you're in extreme price/specs competition. That drives profits towards zero, just as they are on other commodity platforms like the…
What would you choose: small profits, or no customers? That's the choice. Android was "IBM PC trick", and competititors trying to preserve high margins and differentiate their products will end like Amiga, Commodore or Atari.
What would you choose: small profits, or no customers? That's the choice.
Of course it isn't. What about "the potential for a great deal of customers"? I'm certainly not suggesting that MS has executed on this, but they're in the best position out of any second-tier OS. They have huge resources, the Xbox, a music subscription service, the whole suite of Live services, Office...
Like I said, they haven't exactly been successful despite these advantages. But if I were a failing handset manufacturer that had to tie myself to one available ship...
Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. The core problem with the "no money in Android" argument is that you can't choose not to compete with Android if you're in the smartphone game, which is pretty obvio…
The fact that a lot of people would have bought the phone doesn't mean it would result in profit. Lots of people by HTC phones, but that company is circling the drain. The problem is that an Android phone is a commodity. Its hard to differentiate yourself on the product side. That means you're in extreme price/specs competition. That drives profits towards zero, just as they are on other commodity platforms like the…
The problem is that an Android phone is a commodity.
All phones are commodities. Going with Windows Phone just meant that they were a commodity with an incompatible OS.
Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft. >Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ... Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance o…
>Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. That's like suggesting that Mercedes Benz have lost already to Ford because they have smaller market share. Apple produce a premium product with prices and margins that reflect that. Of course they would prefer dominant market share, as would Mercedes. But a non-majority share does not imply that they've somehow lost.
That's like suggesting that Mercedes Benz have lost already to Ford because they have smaller market share.
Which they have, when you're talking about market share. There's some cognitive dissonance going on here- Windows Phone can't succeed because it has a low market share. But Apple succeeds because it has a low market share.
Basically, if low market share isn't a problem for Apple, there's no reason why it would be a problem for MS.
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#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you choose: small profits, or no customers? That's the choice. Android was "IBM PC trick", and competititors trying to preserve high margins and differentiate their products will end like Amiga, Commodore or Atari.
Or, they'll end up like Apple
Apple's position depends on no one undercutting them with a phone that has equal or greater polish and a lower price point.
Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft. >Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ... Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance o…
Can we not talk about this in terms of war and battle? It is the business of selling consumer electronics, same as it has always been. You do explain your position well but I feel the references to war and battle water it down. No one has been killed in the development of phones. I get that the MBA crowd read the art of war and it's practical knowledge seeped into popular discussion. But the endless reference to war…
Hey it's not just consumer electronics, Nokia used to develop DPI surveillance technology for oppressive regimes too!
I can't quite decide if them being eaten by a US corporation is a good or bad thing.
Nokia dearly promised[0] they wouldn't do it any more. But now all that expertise is safely owned by a US company and Nokia technically is not the same company any more, plus it's not really an oppressive regime if it's the global role model for Democracy(TM)
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. They are going to make phones. I can do some creative wildly free-associating tinfoil kookery if it's buried this deep in the comments, can't I? :)
[0] http://nsn.com/news-events/press-room/clarification-on-nokia...
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
"This." This what? What does that mean?
You must be new to the internetz http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=this
Or, like me, you're an internet old timer and just don't understand why people can't just take the time and type "I totally agree".
Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft
#440Ballmer confirms what we all knew: Elop candidate for Microsoft CEO job
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/03/microlop/