Found a good european alternative: https://cortecs.ai/pricing
OpenRouter is joining Stripe
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#432Using Open in your company name, when there's nothing about it, should be illegal.
I used to demand the same but a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context, eg OpenMind means something specific. Open{$IT-term} does not necessarily mean Open Source {$IT-term} and OpenAI might mean an AI available to all people, not implying anything about cost. What could be illegal is the word Free, which a for-profit company would never use in the first place.
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#433I love OpenRouter, long time user. Stripe will hopefully be a good custodian. I just want to point out some features of OpenRouter that make it more than just a model selection and routing endpoint and that I find incredibly useful: 0/ Default routing is to the cheapest provider, but they're usually not the most performant. I'd guess 99% of OpenRouter integrations never tweak the default routing. Here you can setup c…
This seems like something xAi could reproduce in a weekend
The other thing OpenRouter gets you is: Access to loads of models via a common API/sign-up/prepayment mechanism.
I want to know which vendor/model does best at my extracting-facts-from-text task? Which does best at my OCR-a-text-document task? Which can deal with a safe-for-work beach photo without a censorship system false alarm?
OpenRouter lets me run my tests against openai and anthropic and google and x and bytedance and qwen and llama, with a single sign-up and a single payment.
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#434I love OpenRouter, long time user. Stripe will hopefully be a good custodian. I just want to point out some features of OpenRouter that make it more than just a model selection and routing endpoint and that I find incredibly useful: 0/ Default routing is to the cheapest provider, but they're usually not the most performant. I'd guess 99% of OpenRouter integrations never tweak the default routing. Here you can setup c…
This seems like something xAi could reproduce in a weekend
Nobody would trust one of the labs that have their own models with this. They’d assume they’re taking all the data, and biasing the routing to favour themselves. xAI would probably be the least trusted, but the same would apply for any of them.
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#435I love OpenRouter, long time user. Stripe will hopefully be a good custodian. I just want to point out some features of OpenRouter that make it more than just a model selection and routing endpoint and that I find incredibly useful: 0/ Default routing is to the cheapest provider, but they're usually not the most performant. I'd guess 99% of OpenRouter integrations never tweak the default routing. Here you can setup c…
They might be popular for indie developers, but nobody doing serious AI or in a corporate environment is using them.
And if they are, their compliance team is about to strike them down. The VCs forcing this acquisition do know this.
- Why would you add a penalty of 50 ms at a minimum? And that is not the p95... Just run LiteLLM in house and you dont even really need that.
- Their capacity pools are shared across the whole user base, a massive batch processing by another of their customers and think what that means for your response time...
- So instead of negotiating corporate rates with OpenAI or Anthropic, you would be using an intermediary and topping up the corporate credit card... for a 5% markdown ? Really?
- They can see all your critical corporate data on the in and out
- They present some pink SOC 2 promises but then wash their hands and defer to you and the providers. Its just the Bolt and Uber model the drivers are not our employees....
- They are a man in the middle proxy that is a massive security liability for your corporation
- They have no support for private cloud points
- No geofencing guarantees
- No intellectual property legal indemnification unlike what AWS or Microsoft or Google offers
- Its a provider roulette inconsistent with hosts providing different quantization levels causing random shifts in response quality
- Support via a Discord server...
The only reason they were not shutdown yet by Anthropic or OpenAI is because they have the same VCs, as those two. That would mean said VCs investment would go to zero. Oh and those are the same VCs that own Stripe...
Just setup a private proxy tier using something like LiteLLM, even if you really dont need it. Just code your enterprise apps to have have fallback loops on the core hyperscaler providers like AWS Bedrock or Azure Foundry...
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#436Great product, been using it for a while. Turns out even a proxy can be worth $8bn with the right business model behind it. Users get an array of providers competing behind a single API, meaning they have to compete on price and quality not vendor lock-in. This encourages users to join OpenRouter over specific model vendors. Providers get easy access to revenue (and data) and new customers with little to no ad spendi…
Someone noted they pass through 100 billion annually if I remember correctly, but they also take a 5.5% cut, so Stripe secures them as a “customer” while getting their money back over time. It also to me feels like an adjacent business aligned with sort of what Stripe already does to begin with, being someone elses middle man.
Who is that someone? And unnamed employee that told somebody else?
They make less than 140 million in revenue, what today is like 5 signing bonus for OpenAI :-) They are not profitable and see through less than 2 billion in revenue.
These are easy to check so...
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#437I love OpenRouter, long time user. Stripe will hopefully be a good custodian. I just want to point out some features of OpenRouter that make it more than just a model selection and routing endpoint and that I find incredibly useful: 0/ Default routing is to the cheapest provider, but they're usually not the most performant. I'd guess 99% of OpenRouter integrations never tweak the default routing. Here you can setup c…
> features of OpenRouter that make it more than just a model selection and routing endpoint All those features show it's just a model selector and router.
Meaning you can switch in seconds. Stripe just has too much money...
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#438I'm not happy about this. Having used OpenRouter a lot and enjoying the experience, I need to say that corporate consolidation is never good for consumers.
That's a rule but then Stripe won the market by having very friendly interface and minimizing the pain of dealing with paperwork for merchants. When PayPal (the worst offender, just hostile company) acquired BrainTree it was clearly a terrible news. When Stripe acquires OpenRouter I wouldn't be so sure.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then switch. The good news is its’s fairly easy.
Great advice, until all of the alternatives are driven from the market ala youtube, ala' ebay, etc etc
EBay there are alternatives (gumtree etc.).
YouTube there’s no real alternative because hosting unlimited amounts of video for free is a money pit that’s impossible to turn into a viable business.
If some big corporation wasn’t willing to subsidise it for some ulterior motive, it simply wouldn’t exist
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#440Could someone explain why these routers are so valuable and pulling acquisitions in the billions?
The art of good business is being a good middleman