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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by rh94 »

grapheneos wrote: post #359
rh94 wrote: post #81

Anyone has any idea if this changes current situation with nfc payments? Currently many banking apps do not work, and google pay is just unavailable, to my understanding it was related to secure chip on phone - as graphene wasnt "stocked" android os approved by google, i dearly hope this chnages with motorola

Tap-to-pay is available on GrapheneOS via Curve Pay in the European Economic Area + UK, PayPal in parts of Europe and many European banking apps. Google Pay will likely continue banning using GrapheneOS for the foreseeable future until regulators crack down on Google's overall anti-competitive behavior with Android and Google Play. 90% of banking apps do already work on GrapheneOS: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/b…

I hope it just me, but honestly I’m EU citizen, and wasn’t able to get through curve verification process. No reasonoble support.

Revolut for example works but many other banking apps rely also on high level of play integrity, as you describe.

I wish ppl behind this fantastic os strong nerves, you fight our freedom. Its appreciated.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by fsflover »

grapheneos wrote: post #389
asnelt wrote: post #286

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Traditional desktop Linux heavily involves big tech companies including IBM (Red Hat). AOSP has a massive amount of non-Google companies and individuals working on operating systems based on it. It would survive without Google. You're misinformed about security preview patches. It has nothing to do with Google being hostile. Additionally, our security preview releases have regularly included patches for components no…

> Traditional desktop Linux heavily involves big tech companies including IBM (Red Hat).

Yes, for some definition of "heavyly" that you chose. Yet no single megacorp can decide single-handedly on the future of Linux or do this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49364745

> AOSP has a massive amount of non-Google companies and individuals working on operating systems based on it.

Can you define "massive" in, e.g., percentage of lines of code? This looks unsubstantiated to me.

The parent has a good point and shouldn't be flagged.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by owaislone »

georgeecollins wrote: post #126
owaislone wrote: post #91

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Nothing is stopping you. You're free to use a desktop web app that either doesn't work or is terribly slow or has limited features on a mobile web browser. I'd love it if all apps were PWAs but that is not the case.

My broker has a much more fully featured web app then it does on iOS or Android. You can do things in a browser that the phone apps will send you to a browser to do. BofA is just as good of a web app. Maybe people are just used to using their phones?

Good for you. Nobody is challenging what a web app can or cannot do. I love PWAs but services I need every day either don't have a web interface at all, have limited features or are unusable on a small screen let alone having a PWA. This is not about technical abilities but about what companies actually do.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by Pfhortune »

grapheneos wrote: post #311
Pfhortune wrote: post #252

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GrapheneOS on a flip is my dream. I tried with the ZFlips a couple of times but Samsung's kitchen-sink approach is just not for me.

We should be able to support the next generation of the Razr Ultra. It will take longer for the lower end devices to meet our requirements for updates and hardware-based security features. We think folding devices are a lot more useful and likely to get more users but we already have those via Pixels so flip devices are compelling as a new form factor. We're also interested in having support for new tablets.

New tablet support is very compelling! The Pixel tablet hardware is... passable... but Graphene on something more refined would be amazing! Especially something with a keyboard cover available (no idea if Motorola does this).

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by codethief »

grapheneos wrote: post #424
codethief wrote: post #342

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> The approach used by desktop operating systems with TPMs is awful and makes security worse in a lot of ways rather than better. It's not at all the same thing, similarly to how what the desktop world calls secure boot is not a serious or complete implementation of it and doesn't provide nearly any useful security properties to end users unlike iOS or AOSP. Interesting. Could you elaborate? I always thought that Sec…

The standard UEFI Secure Boot used with traditional Windows and traditional desktop Linux is an incomplete and insecure implementation of secure boot. It doesn't verify the vast majority of the OS, nearly always lacks an unbroken chain of trust from the hardware, does not verify all of the firmware and lacks downgrade protection for both most of the firmware and the OS. In the typical setup, it trusts an enormous num…

Ah yes, so if I understand correctly, you're referring to the fact that, e.g., on Linux a typical Secure Boot setup will verify the kernel (if at all) but not the rootfs. Yes, that's of course a huge issue (as is mutability of the rootfs in the first place). I think what I had in mind is indeed more akin to the "verified boot" setup you described.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by DirkH »

qmmmur wrote: post #274
limagnolia wrote: post #214

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Can you deposit checks from the webapp? That is the feature most often missing in banking webapps. It isn't something I need often, fortunately.

The majority of the world don’t do this anymore.

This is true but the problem is every now and again some of us have to deposit a cheque because even if we would love for cheques to go the way of the Canadian penny they are very much still a thing

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by fsflover »

armadyl wrote: post #376
Eueudhsbsj32 wrote: post #326

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I strongly disagree. The only reason I still use an Android phone is that countless third-party services (that are too useful for me to give up) require the Android/iOS ecosystem.

You can strongly disagree but it doesn’t change the fact that the comment by the OP is objectively true. Especially in this political climate it’s insane to recommend people switch to a phone OS that can be pwned via hardware or software means in virtually zero time versus something like GOS + a Pixel or an iPhone.

Can all the Linux servers also be pwned in no time? This is a huge exaggeration. This requires the users to know what they are doing and running -- with this I agree. But it's doable today.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by LarryDarrell »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #222
LarryDarrell wrote: post #155

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I knew it would be their higher end devices but I really wish they would have put it on their lower end as well. I have a Moto G running LineageOS and it's my favorite phone ever. The ability to have my 800GB of music synced to a sdcard is something I'm loath to give up.

What is your music workflow? I got stuck in Spotify for new music but that obviously doesn’t work long term

For discovering new music, I listen to my old college radio station. About once a month they play something good that makes me do a deep dive. I use Pianobar while I work, and creating a station based on a new (to me) artist tends to give me more to explore. I also use music-map.com from time to time.

As for acquiring music, I use Bandcamp. If they aren't on there, I'm not above finding it via file sharing.

I have a bunch of python scripts that help me rename all my files once I get their tags sorted out. For that I mostly use AudioRanger because it's so simple and I only process one album at a time.

From there, I use Syncthing. But I'm thinking about replacing it with rsync and just kick it off manually when I want to update everything about once a month.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by yencabulator »

limagnolia wrote: post #214
georgeecollins wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My broker has a much more fully featured web app then it does on iOS or Android. You can do things in a browser that the phone apps will send you to a browser to do. BofA is just as good of a web app. Maybe people are just used to using their phones?

Can you deposit checks from the webapp? That is the feature most often missing in banking webapps. It isn't something I need often, fortunately.

FWIW in the USA, ally.com lets you upload jpegs from a desktop browser for all your 70s banking needs.
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