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Re: Superlogical

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Post by whilenot-dev »

simonw wrote: post #228
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #224

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So... not finished, then? There have been lots of commits between then and now. If I pay someone to build a house and they left me a voicemail saying "Yep the house is finished, it only took us 11 days!" And then later, "No, you can't move in yet, still fixing some last-minute issues (there's no plumbing yet)." We would classify this as: a lie. And if you told it to your investors: fraud. Would it really be so bad fo…

> Would it really be so bad for Anthropic to admit that a project of this size takes months instead of weeks? I think that's exactly what they've done by not shipping a stable release yet. I don't think they've been pushing that "It only took us 11 days!" message nearly as hard as their critics suggest that they have.

> I don't think they've been pushing that "It only took us 11 days!" message nearly as hard as their critics suggest that they have.

I have to disagree here. From their blog post Rewriting Bun in Rust[0]:

> This Rust rewrite would've taken a team of engineers with full-context on the codebase a year of work. With 1 engineer using Fable & closely monitoring Claude Code, we went from start to 100% of the test suite passing on all platforms in 11 days. One engineer can do a lot more today than a year ago.

[0]: https://bun.com/blog/bun-in-rust#what-s-next

Re: Superlogical

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Post by willdr »

simonw wrote: post #228
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... not finished, then? There have been lots of commits between then and now. If I pay someone to build a house and they left me a voicemail saying "Yep the house is finished, it only took us 11 days!" And then later, "No, you can't move in yet, still fixing some last-minute issues (there's no plumbing yet)." We would classify this as: a lie. And if you told it to your investors: fraud. Would it really be so bad fo…

> Would it really be so bad for Anthropic to admit that a project of this size takes months instead of weeks? I think that's exactly what they've done by not shipping a stable release yet. I don't think they've been pushing that "It only took us 11 days!" message nearly as hard as their critics suggest that they have.

The eleven day figure features in multiple animated infographics in Jarred's blog post; https://bun.com/blog/bun-in-rust, including a calendar that shows commits over 11 days.

> I rewrote Bun in Rust using about 50 dynamic workflows in Claude Code run continuously over the course of 11 days.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by lemontheme »

backscratches wrote: post #423
rasmus1610 wrote: post #407

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you miss the multiplexer part. multiplexers are awesome if you have them on a persistent machine like a server you SSH into. To me herdr feels more like a modern alternative to tmux or zellij with the agent features being a nice add on.

Isnt zellij quite modern? What does herdr do better than zellij?

As a zellij sponsor I’ve been wondering the same.

I rebuild herdr from master every few days to gauge the direction it’s moving in.

What herdr gets right over zellij:

- Default keybinds don’t conflict with helix. Even the leader key mode in zellij keeps alt-bindings around. Herdr keeps things nicely tucked away.

- There’s beta support for the kitty image protocol. Three years on, we’re still waiting in zellij.

- Notifications get passed correctly through to the terminal.

As for herdr’s killer feature, agent status monitoring, there is apparently a zellij plugin.

Big win for zellij: the docs and code feel human. By contrast, herdr’s docs have all the tells of a vibe coded project. Not to say the maintainer hasn’t put care into it! But I’m getting burned out on LLM docs.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by willdr »

supern0va wrote: post #246
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #240

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Hmm, you are right. The 11 days number came from the Bun blog, not the Anthropic blog. Anthropic has a history of making dishonest claims like this (for example their C compiler) so when I saw the news coverage I assumed this was just another one of those. My mistake.

Even then, can you point out where Jarred said this on the Bun blog? Because AFAICT, it seems pretty clear that he said that it took 11 days to get to all integration tests passing, but not to a full release candidate. In his blog post from a few weeks ago, he specifically calls outs: >Bun v1.4 makes Bun faster, smaller, use less memory and gives the team incredibly powerful tools for systematically improving stabili…

And yet, that is in the conclusion, the section with the lowest chance of being read in any article. Much higher appears,

> I rewrote Bun in Rust using about 50 dynamic workflows in Claude Code run continuously over the course of 11 days.

Is this Schrodinger's rewrite?

Re: Superlogical

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Post by CapsAdmin »

sigbottle wrote: post #130
Sleaker wrote: post #111

Maybe I just missed the boat on hashicorp and similar solutioning, but I find a lot of the solutions for working with multiple systems using an intermediary shared language, such as terraform, end up obfuscating the problems they intend to solve and result in people who deal with and support those systems on a daily basis having very little understanding of how to interact and troubleshoot the core infra that is bein…

Looking really cynically, it does seem like it might transition into some kind of cloud-development situation. Your "one access to all development" is one ssh away from our mega 24/7 online compute farm, since we need to keep the sessions persistent. But you can access anything you want! Hopefully that's not the endgame?

That was pretty much my takeaway from reading the website. Not my cup of tea, but I guess it might valuable to some?

I've had to use the aws cli at work a few times (not an expert), but I could see aws trying to compete here if this becomes a thing.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by noduerme »

dhamidi wrote: post #409
Twelveday wrote: post #403

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For now I didn't find anything that really works better than using termux on android or echo on ipad, ssh into my desktop with tailscale where I have a tmux session I can attach to. "Input" seems to be the biggest struggle for me versus a normal desktop+keyboard setup. On ipad I use a nuphy bluetooth keyboard which works pretty well and on android I use FUTO Keyboard with voice input. Overall I think I don't even wan…

You can swipe the Termux special ribbon to the left and then get a native text input where dictation etc all work.

Neat trick. I had no idea.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by theshrike79 »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #149
fortuitous-frog wrote: post #132

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Bun and the Rust pre-release have continued to be open source; the pre-release isn’t exclusive to Claude Code but available to anyone to download and use. There hasn’t been any public motion to indicate they may close source anytime soon. This FUD is so easily fact-checkable that I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on

> I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on Probably because they said AI rewrote it in 11 days, yet haven't cut a release almost 2 months later. If their AI finished it, where's the release? They ported enough of it to run a single app (Claude Code). Good job. But if I ported Linux to Rust and it was only capable of running a single app, should I be able say it was a complete port? We'd all agree that was misleadin…

If an AI rewrote it in 12 days would it be better for you? Or 30 days? 60? 90?

How many days must a rewrite take for it to be good in your opinion? How does time spent correlate with quality?

Re: Superlogical

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Post by TheTaytay »

samuell wrote: post #421
brandall10 wrote: post #120

This sounds like a mashup of of several things I've been playing with lately... - pi-web ( https://pi-web.dev/ ): a web frontend for the Pi coding harness which can multiplex pi sessions across multiple machines - herdr ( https://herdr.dev/ ): a fairly polished agentic multiplexer TUI, can easily spawn or destroy windows based on subagent activity - firstmate ( https://github.com/kunchenguid/firstmate ): a meta envir…

Pardon the plug, but I thought I'd point out that I think SciCommander [1], or the ideas behind it, could be very relevant for this stack. It does capture a provenance graph for any ad-hoc shell commands executed in the shell mode, or if prepended by `sci run`, by tracing all new files created from commands, and creating an accompanying json file for every output with metadata, which can later be assembled into a gra…

I’ve been looking for something like this!

Re: Superlogical

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Post by melodyogonna »

ksec wrote: post #48

Flashback to when Mitchell first introduce Vagrant [1] to HN, which of course was the how everything from HashiCorp started. I thought it was't that long ago, may be 8, or at best 10-12 years. Turns out 16 years has passed. Curious if it would be another project using Zig. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1175901

They're using Go, Swift, and Zig: https://x.com/mitchellh/status/2082623830510710865?s=20
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