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The deadly rise of giant trucks and SUVs

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Then surely Europe shares that trends and shows growth in pedestrian death. But that isn't the case at all, maybe Europeans are immune to smartphones: https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download...

maybe there are other confounding factors that make smartphone utilization much less likely in Europe. Specifically no daily long commute in a car where people get bored and are tempted to use them.

There’s plenty of people spending hours commuting by car each way over here too.

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Super relevant: Vehicles and Crashes: Why is this Moral Issue Overlooked? by Douglas Husak

One of my favorite philosophy papers. The author argues that because of the high crash incompatibility of SUVs, they are immoral - imposing needless harm on others. It's also ironic that on average, there is no net safety benefit to those who drive them -- because of higher rollover risks!

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23562447

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Minivans and station wagons are just as good as a Tahoe for transporting a family.

Sure, until you need to tow a trailer weighing more than about 1500 lbs or drive on a dirt road where the minivan bottoms out. You might not need those capabilities but a lot of families do that stuff every week.

I don't tow, but when I had my Chrysler Pacifica (RIP), it was rated to tow 3600 lbs.

People seem to like towing stuff with their Vanagons, but I hope that doesn't involve hills. :P

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Not if you need to tow a trailer / camper. Maybe there's a reason different kinds of vehicles exist? To fulfill different requirements of their drivers?

But families towed tent trailers back in the 80s behind their sedans and station wagons, too. Maybe there's a bit of circular reasoning going on here where people bought giant vehicles because they liked the aesthetics and internal roominess, and then the prevalence of giant vehicles opened up the market for larger and heavier towables— rigid body RVs, seadoos, a trailer full of gas dirt bikes, whatever it is. I also…

>But families towed tent trailers back in the 80s behind their sedans and station wagons, too.

Are we concerned about safety, or are we not? Because towing a 2000+ lb trailer behind a sedan is kind of dangerous.

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Well, probably the right thing to do for large trucks and suvs is to reclassify them so that you need a commercial license to drive them.

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My god, you wouldn't want to ever be (shudder) ... uncomfortable!

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I don't know the particulars, but if what's going on in WA is like what's going on in my California town, I don't think it's reasonable. I see teens going around on ebikes, and people freak out over them in ways that seem completely inappropriate to the kids scooting around. I think it's mostly a reaction to seeing young people being young people, as far as I can tell. Same thing happens on NextDoor, a few kids hangi…

There's kids who go around on ebikes in my neighborhood, and it's only a matter of time until one of them is hit. I don't mind kids on bikes, and encourage it. I do, however, encourage them to stop at stop signs and to actually look for traffic at intersections, and that's something that these kids are not doing. To be fair, most cars go too fast in residential areas. I drive like a grandma in them and there's a good…

There's a restaurant in a city near fairly near where I live where I often eat at the sidewalk city in the summer. And the (protected) bike lane is this somewhat horrifying combination of bikes, e-bikes, escooters and things like motorcyles together with pedestrians crossing. And, because many people are on bikes, a lot just blow through red lights at the nearby intersection because it's a bike lane.

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I recently visited Portugal and it was so refreshing not to see huge near monster trucks on the road. Which have a very intimidating vibe to them. I was like oh look at people can actually function without big trucks, wow! What a surprise!

Very urban perspective. If you are a contractor or farmer in rural America, there is no way to survive without a good sized truck.

Did you know that only 1,6% of US population works in agriculture compared to 5% in Portugal? See https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/employmen...

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WA state recently passed a law about e-bikes/e-motorcycles to deal with the issue of younger teens on these kinda moped-style e-bikes going very fast around town (and often riding quite recklessly). The law is reasonable, but it strikes me what a double standard there is for biking vs driving. For biking, there's a danger that's noticed, and we quickly pass a law that straight up bans that type of bike for those ride…

I think at the very least owners of these vehicles should be made to undergo more rigorous licensing education and testing.

Re: The deadly rise of giant trucks and SUVs

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WA state recently passed a law about e-bikes/e-motorcycles to deal with the issue of younger teens on these kinda moped-style e-bikes going very fast around town (and often riding quite recklessly). The law is reasonable, but it strikes me what a double standard there is for biking vs driving. For biking, there's a danger that's noticed, and we quickly pass a law that straight up bans that type of bike for those ride…

>everyone knows that these giant trucks and SUVs are killing people

The number of things I believe "everyone knows" has tended to zero over time.

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You decrease the risk to you but you dramatically increase the risk to other people, especially pedestrians. The total deaths go up.

> You decrease the risk to you Yes, that's the point. No offense to other people, but I'm trying to not die when I drive to the store. Driving a tank with a sun roof is a good way to do that.

It's an antisocial, even solipsistic way to do that. Offense evidently intended, even if you convince yourself it's not.
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