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Post by ab5tract »

marcosdumay wrote: post #389
jmyeet wrote: post #372

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This is a hotly debated topic. The John Mearsheimer view is that "The Lobby" [1] has effective control over US foreign policy. There's a lot of evidence for this such as AIPAC indirectly unseating anti-Israel candidates. The Thomas Massie primary was the most expensive in history. $35 million. For a primary . Noam Chomsky on the other hand rejects the notion of "the lobby" [2], instead arguing that Israel is an tool…

Hum... I don't think Chomsky's opinion on the matter has any relevance at all. He's there right at the Lobby. We have no way at all of knowing he's saying it doesn't matter because he saw it doesn't matter, or because it dictates what he says.

What? Noam Chomsky has been labeled a self hating anti-Semite by AIPAC. For decades.

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Post by fakedang »

dmix wrote: post #360
fakedang wrote: post #356

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Don't forget the part where the Lebanon ceasefire was announced, Israel decided to continue its bombing and occupation campaign and broke the ceasefire, then Trump immediately announced the blockade stays in that TS rant.

Technically Hezbollah fired rockets at Israel first on March 2nd and Israel responded… then Israel repeatedly bullshitted some ceasefires to keep the US placated while they simultaneously ramping up both a ground invasion and air campaign. Hezbollah equally is no doubt being pushed hard to keep fighting by Iran. Israel is definitely showing they are a bad partner to the US and should be the more responsible one (nobo…

Israel broke the ceasefire first by continuing to occupy the Bekaa valley and Lebanese land all the way up to the Litani river. When they showed no signs of leaving, Iran said that Israel's breaking the ceasefire and that's when mango Mussolini announced the blockade.

Iran can't even tell Hezbollah to stand down because the group was already extremely weakened after the October 7 war and the death of Haniyeh.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by fakedang »

petre wrote: post #412
fakedang wrote: post #350

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This is what I ask everyone who thinks October 7 was an attack launched by Hamas of its own volition. Anyone who's been to and seen the Gaza border knows how impossible it is to cross - unless of course there was some inside permittance.

Hamas are fanatics and were dumb enough to try it. They also had the tunnels, missiles from Iran. But I"m quite inclined to believe the Israeli leadership let it happen as a pretext to crush them afterwards, level Gaza, maybe even go against Hezbollah and Iran, but that's a bit too far fetrched.

That's precisely what I meant. Hamas always had these plans on how to launch an attack. Israel gave them the opening. And why is everyone forgetting the fact that Yahya Shinwar was basically a Mossad puppet by the time he was released? They released him precisely because they thought that he was milder compared to his contemporaries in Doha.

People who've been to that border in normal times know how fiercely that border is protected.

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Post by [deleted] »

afpx wrote: post #341
slg wrote: post #331

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I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

That's really interesting. I am an Evangelical, and no one that I know supports Israel. Could it be something else?

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Post by vkou »

Tade0 wrote: post #282
vkou wrote: post #206

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Nah. There are always face-saving offramps... And examples like Saddam doing just fine after his failed invasion of Iran. If the war ended tomorrow, and Russia withdrew from Ukraine, Putin would still be enjoying ~50% organic support among Russians. Just like Trump has a ~35% approval floor of complete idiots standing behind him as he sends inflation and gas prices and cost of living through the roof... Putin enjoys…

The Russo-Japanese war ultimately didn't end well for the Romanovs. A lot of people died in suspicious circumstances. I mean, someone has to be held accountable for that, don't they?

The Romanovs got through the Russo-Japanese war just fine. It was WWI and the complete collapse of the country, and the revolution that ousted them (And then the provisional government refused to end the war, got couped by the Bolsheviks, who only then executed the Romanovs.)

I can't see any meaningful parallels between the current war and WWI. For one thing, people in Russia (as of today) aren't literally running out of bread.

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Post by vkou »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #321
yonaguska wrote: post #246

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MAGA has split hard. it's now MIGA vs AF. With MIGA being mostly boomer evangelicals and AF being younger, either outright fuentes antisemites or just anti Zionists that lean right. There is a huge astroturfing campaign to make it seem like MAGA is unanimously pro netanyahu, but it's simply fake.

Look at what happened to Massie. Pro-peace MAGA was always a mirage.

Indeed. MAGA is only pro-peace when it needs a nice-sounding lie during elections.

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Post by bigyabai »

jraby3 wrote: post #423
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #173

I was reading about Israel interfering with US elections and spying on the US decades ago. Why is this news now? Us gives Israel money, Israel uses that money to buy people in power in the US, those bought people then ensure US taxpayewr money flows to israel to...and so the cycle continues. Nothing explains the US being subservient to Israel than this.

US gives Israel weapons not money.

US taxpayers buy the weapons.

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Post by Animats »

classified wrote: post #429
sanderjd wrote: post #223

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Seems like he's the only one that doesn't feel any need to think about this question.

Which, of course, is deliberate. He has weaponized uncertainty to perfection.

If that was true, he wouldn't keep losing negotiations.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

fakedang wrote: post #359
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #232

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> They've prepared for this war for 47 years, _literally_ praying for it Is there an apocalyptic religious movement in Iran? Similar to American Evangelists hoping for Armageddon?

The entire Shia sect is basically an apocalyptic religious movement. Has been since the start when Ali, the first Imam and fourth Caliph for the Sunnis, was assassinated, his sons following him, only for the assassination mastermind to usurp his Caliphate. Combine that with the millenarianism of the Safavids in the 15th and 16th centuries.

> entire Shia sect is basically an apocalyptic religious movement

This seems incredible? Like, apocalypitc evangelists have practically never built a proper civilisation. Shia Islam has golden-age Islam to its credit.

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Post by watwut »

afpx wrote: post #341
slg wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

That's really interesting. I am an Evangelical, and no one that I know supports Israel. Could it be something else?

Are you denying radical evangelical conservativism exists?
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