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Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

nbaugh1 wrote: post #208
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH I don't really feel the same most of the time. I give the LLM little chunks to do. I read the code. I think. I plan. I write a bit of code. I have the LLM crunch out some bullshit task like setting up an annoying C repo. There aren't that many moments in building with LLMs where things line up so the AI can just absolutely nail some code and save me a ton of time.

I think a lot of people have a sort of “slot machine” experience with it at some point. You just start firing off prompts on some new project, wait a few seconds, see what prize you got. Then you start doing that over and over just letting the LLM code and code and not even review what it’s doing. It really is like getting hooked on gambling. You’re getting a thrill from anticipation, not the actual results. This is…

I’m confused by the people that “don’t even look at the code anymore”. I’m looking at the code Opus generates. And I’m glad that I am, because it needs revision.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by subjectsigma »

LtWorf wrote: post #332
daishi55 wrote: post #298

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> the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed Isn't it though? let me quote my other comments in this thread: > There is undoubtedly AI-written code in the Linux kernel now, but are they out there harassing those maintainers? No. rsync GitHub is easier to brigade. > They’re also all completely disingenuous (“I’ll have to stop using rsync now”) given that 99.99% of software now…

> given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code source?

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Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by pibaker »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #133
koehler wrote: post #36

I truly don't get it You have a rock solid piece of software used by an infinite amount of people and other services. It works fine, does it's job and just have some time to time updates due to minor bug fixes. Why do we need AI here? And more over, why people is saying "fork it and use the previous version". It should be actually all the way around, create a parallel fork younamethetool-ai and keep the OG untouched.…

> Why do we need AI here? AI psychosis is a real thing and an actual mental health issue.

The only psychotic behavior I see in the linked issue comes from the anti AI people.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by pibaker »

dragontamer wrote: post #299
lukaslalinsky wrote: post #267

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The thing is, showing the annoyance to the volunteer, who is already doing their best, has two possible outcomes: 1) they stop volunteering 2) they will ignore you In neither of that is your issue solved. So maybe it's better to deal with the frustration on your own and then file a bug report.

There must be some degree of communication from customers to developers. Even if it is a free volunteer service. Poor communication results in professionals firing the customer as well. None of this is exclusive to OSS of volunteer effort. But the communication in general is necessary. This is just product management and communication issues. There is an perceived problem and the problem MUST be communicated. Problem…

Before you call yourself a customer of an FOSS project, perhaps show us the receipt that a monetary transaction had actually taken place between you and the developer.

Otherwise, you're just a beggar. And beggars don't get to choose.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by customguy »

daishi55 wrote: post #428
customguy wrote: post #324

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But given the actual thread, which has some "flaming" but also many dry and serious comments, and how you describe it as incredibly unhinged while speculation about someone's motivation (looking for projects that might have used AI, versus being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is), and how you would say none of that to any of those individuals while musing about how they are just looking for…

> they are just looking for easy targets I mean, they are. They’re not harassing Linus or linux maintainers because that would get shut down quickly. Instead they brigade the rsync GitHub issues. > You declare the critics as witches Did you read a single thing I wrote?

That's rich.

> being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is

You just ignore that, repeat your claim as if that helps. "I mean, they are" -- no, I mean, they actually genuinely literally are not.

You us what everyone in that group has as motivation, and that it's to achieve something like sexual satisfaction, is not a description of that thread -- I can read -- so it's coming from you.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway7356 wrote: post #149
consp wrote: post #125

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> I think this behavior is very silly and people are just trying to justify their hate to AI by latching onto every possible thing It's not silly to have issues with something. People act on their issues. Possibly not the issue underlying the commit at hand here but something else, and act on it which makes it something to consider. My guess is people are tired of the "AI is the greatest thing since [cultural referen…

> and grasp at every straw to combat it, which is a sane response Attacking every open source maintainer who might use AI for the sin of having used AI because one hates AI is just abusive behavior, not "sane response". What would the "sane response" be for people tired of the "AI is being forced down my throat and I need to combat it by attacking open source maintainers" side? Grasp at every straw to combat such beh…

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Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by Sacho »

overfeed wrote: post #413
Lerc wrote: post #338

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Are you saying that it is irresponsible to test for regressions and to not document the ones you didn't find or that you think it is reasonable to expect regression tests for every possible regression?

No, I did not say any of that.

What were you trying to say? Because what you wrote is what parent responded to.

> there is no evidence that tridge did this regression testing

What evidence would you be looking for? New tests, like the ones added in the AI-assisted commits? What other evidence?

> If tridge did test for regressions, but chose not to document the regression

Presumably you weren't trying to imply here that tridge found a regression and decided to ship the code anyway; so parent went to a natural assumption - do you think testing for regressions finds all regressions?

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by not_a9 »

daishi55 wrote: post #284
consp wrote: post #125

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> I think this behavior is very silly and people are just trying to justify their hate to AI by latching onto every possible thing It's not silly to have issues with something. People act on their issues. Possibly not the issue underlying the commit at hand here but something else, and act on it which makes it something to consider. My guess is people are tired of the "AI is the greatest thing since [cultural referen…

They’re just picking easy targets to bully. There is undoubtedly AI-written code in the Linux kernel now, but are they out there harassing those maintainers? No. rsync GitHub is easier to brigade.

> There is undoubtedly AI-written code in the Linux kernel now

You can grep commit logs by “Assisted-By” these days and there sure is a whole bunch of LLMs.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by throwaway7356 »

LtWorf wrote: post #417
michaelmrose wrote: post #290

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They don't make anything and they shit talk those who do

They shit talk those who also don't make but use AI to destroy.

Which are identical to those who wrote rsync in the first place.

So given the rsync author did not make anything in the first place, they also cannot go destroy rsync as there is nothing to destroy.

But well done defending abuse.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by mbgerring »

throwaway7356 wrote: post #149
consp wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think this behavior is very silly and people are just trying to justify their hate to AI by latching onto every possible thing It's not silly to have issues with something. People act on their issues. Possibly not the issue underlying the commit at hand here but something else, and act on it which makes it something to consider. My guess is people are tired of the "AI is the greatest thing since [cultural referen…

> and grasp at every straw to combat it, which is a sane response Attacking every open source maintainer who might use AI for the sin of having used AI because one hates AI is just abusive behavior, not "sane response". What would the "sane response" be for people tired of the "AI is being forced down my throat and I need to combat it by attacking open source maintainers" side? Grasp at every straw to combat such beh…

It looks like they’re being attacked because their mission critical software is suddenly experiencing regressions, and the evidence suggests those regressions are in part caused by AI.

The regressions are the issue. If the software was working as expected, no one would be coming after them for “the sin of using AI”.

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