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Post by bigfishrunning »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #425
bigfishrunning wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not, because clankers don't have a race

I agree robots do not have a race in the most literal, autistic interpetation of the sentence. It's the shape of the behavior. It translates from a primordial belief systems that enables someone to say its okay to position themselves above something. The word robot originates from the Czech term robotnik, meaning "forced worker," which is derived from robota, denoting forced labor or drudgery performed by feudal serf…

> Remember history? Its not okay to subjugate human beings?

AI systems are not human beings. They also have no feelings. Despite the marketing, they have no agency.

I position myself above inanimate objects. I position you, and everyone else, above them as well.

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Post by jraph »

MarkusQ wrote: post #422
jraph wrote: post #286

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Sorry, my English was approximative, I meant that I would need to be sarcastic. But yeah, it does. Of course, sarcasm always works out great with people who don't already get that they are boring you to death with a long monologue...

Your English was fine. I was just playing along by being sarcastic in return. :)

I wondered. Sorry :-)

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Post by krupan »

otherme123 wrote: post #378
krupan wrote: post #353

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This is not my experience at all. Getting a LMGTFY or an RTFM response really did mean that your question was easily answered by Google or the "fine" manual. It wasn't rude, it was an education, even a confidence boost saying, "you can figure this out, I believe in you!"

I was once downvoted to oblivion in reddit for answering a question with "If you asked google instead of reddit, you will already have the answer". I remember the question being something like "Who is the CEO of Facebook?". The logic of the downvoting was that some people don't trust Google answers, or don't know how to ask so they can't tell in advance if some question is for Google or needs a human. IMO they were r…

Ok, I guess we are talking about different eras here. I was a n00b being told to RTFM before reddit even existed

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Post by jplusequalt »

snowwrestler wrote: post #210
ahtihn wrote: post #168

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Having good intentions doesn't give a free pass to be obnoxious.

Sure but that goes both ways in a conversation.

>Having good intentions doesn't give a free pass to be obnoxious.

>Sure but that goes both ways in a conversation.

In the situation being discussed, is it even a conversation if one party is not even actively engaging with the other person?

Also, respect is earned not given. If you don't respect me enough to put time into communicating in your own words, you can punch sand because I'm not reading your AI slop.

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Post by palisade »

JimTheMan wrote: post #409
palisade wrote: post #373

I'm verbose, and no one was ever interested in anything I ever had to say before. And, they certainly wouldn't be now if I used AI to do it. These days I only bother commenting if I really feel I need to get something off my chest, but I don't assume anyone gives a shit. I frequently just delete my responses. I don't generally feel anyone needs what I'm saying. It takes a bit of self-awareness to realize that no one…

You write in the style of.. anime dialogue. It's fascinating. I can almost hear the character speak it aloud.

Hm, I wasn't trying to. Baka baka baka, jim-kun!

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

I wonder if more people have considered doing the opposite? You can just as easily use AI assist to compress a long rambling thought down to its essence. There's no reason you can't apply taste to the entire process.

That does seem rather more polite and respectful of people's time.

I do have this intuition though: some variant of Gresham's law or Akerlof's Market For Lemons may apply [1][2].

It takes more effort to put together a well compressed post or message; it'll drown in the sea of content which is easier to to type or generate; and it is hard to distinguish.

(Also: how many people think to eg. drop a post into an LLM to find the components expanded back out? )

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by connorboyle »

clbrmbr wrote: post #400

> You asked a simple question. They lobbed a document. I’ve become so cynical that I cannot read this phrasing without thinking it came from… an LLM. This cynicism also negatively impacts human communication. This constant doubt of whether there was a thinker on the other side of the text.

Your cynicism appears justified here. Pangram rates the first few paragraphs as "100% AI-generated": https://www.pangram.com/history/d06c8513-9ee3-4a1d-b02f-c1ec...

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

vitally3643 wrote: post #276
BeetleB wrote: post #219

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> In this person's communication culture, they are saying "I don't know, but here's my attempt to help." You know all those support sites for various products (Microsoft, etc) where people ask questions, and lots of folks eagerly give answers that really aren't helpful? Throwing AI grenades generally falls into the same category. I don't mind an AI generated answer as long as it's on point, concise, and answers my pr…

AI text dumps fall somewhere between "delete system32" and "run sfc /scannow".

Which is funny, because if you hook up a current generation AI to a command line (with some amount of caution) , it will actually tend to fix your problem. See eg. Claude Code.

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Post by Zopieux »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #259

AI conversations are like dreams: everyone has one they like and wants to share it with others ... but no on gives a crap about your dream/chat session, because it was uniquely appealing to you , and not them. Don't bore your co-workers (or others) with descriptions of your dreams, and don't throw a computer's dreams (AI chat logs) at them either.

Same for AI music, images, videos.

I created a few songs that I enjoy, but I would never subject anyone from having to listen to it (or worse, deceive them into thinking it's a human creation).

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by [deleted] »

booleandilemma wrote: post #111

No no, let's just stop thinking entirely and paste conversations from LLMs back and forth to each other. Then we'll use an LLM to summarize the conversation to tell us what was said. Then we'll use an LLM to do what was said. Then we can ask an LLM if what was done works.

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