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Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Why did you trust what The Atlantic and Foreign Policy had to say at the time? Anyone can tell you anything ; that's no reason to take them so seriously you're disappointed if events years later show their claims to be wrong.

It’s just an example that there exists a “they” that were making these claims.

There's some "they" or another that makes all sorts of claims, including obviously stupid or self-serving ones; and with no requirement that different "they" s be consistent about what claims they make.

The rhetorical device "Remember when they told us that ____" is meant to imply that there was some legitimate, trustworthy authority that made a claim about the world that people should have been willing to trust, that turned out not to be true. And what I'm disputing is that the specific authorities - prestige English-language news and opinion organizations like The Atlantic - should ever have been particularly trustworthy, or even authoritative. The Atlantic writing an article in 2010 arguing that social media is bringing democracy to Iran by facilitating the Green Revolution should not even at the time have been considered to be a trustworthy, authoritative voice that people should put much creedence in. Indeed the actual text of that article is someone challenging the claims that (Western) social media were particularly important to what was happening at the time, presumably in response to other, more pro-social-media voices also speaking at the time.

My point is not necessarily to litigate what specific people writing for specific publications about then-current geopolitical events, and how good their analysis was in hindsight; it's to argue that any analysis of this sort is simply not a promise that anyone should feel betrayed about not being consistent with real events years later.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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NASA went and turned itself into a gigantic inefficient bureaucracy to the point that SpaceX considers NASA experience a negative.

Why are we at all concerned with what SpaceX considers a negative?

Because they've gotten a lot of mass into orbit cheaply.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Do they have a choice? It’s either that or they are shown the door, in which case they will probably be replaced by worse local alternatives in terms of freedom of speech and gov influence

When some countries tell them 'You need to make sure the product is safe for children', or 'you can't let people under 16 on the platform' Meta stomps their feet, says it's impossible and/or bad for society and spends millions on campaigns to influence the public against the govt's position. In some cases going as far as threatening to leave the country.

So yes, they absolutely have a choice.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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post #418

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Uhh... The idea that democracy doesn't exist in the world is not something that I currently agree with. Did you mean to say direct democracy? Very similar take on free speech vs absolute free speech. Did your definition mean to include exceptions for libel, fraud, child exploitation? Etc.? You seem to be insinuating something about me by saying "it's interesting you felt..." But you are the one who put the "unrestric…

Like I said, I don't think quibbling over specific word choices is productive. So what are you hoping to accomplish with your comments here? Because you're coming off like someone trying to score points in a high school debate rather than someone trying to have a conversation. I would consider that interpretation as giving you the benefit of the doubt, because the only alternative is a judgment of your intellect. To…

A balance between democracy, free speech and capitalism are worth fighting for, protecting, and are an engine for prosperity. They aren't any less sustainable than life itself or any other framework societies have run on. I am all for continuous improvement, but to throw any of those three pillars out seems like a terrible idea, and only an extremely well laid argument could convince me otherwise. I have never seen such an argument.

In your original comment you made the specific point "societies are going to have to reckon with the fact that democracy, free speech, and unrestricted capitalism simply aren't a sustainable mix". I then pointed out that "unrestricted capitalism" isn't actually being practiced anywhere, which is true. The reason I pointed this out can be reframed as a question: "What society actually thinks that unrestricted capitalism is sustainable?" or alternatively... "No societies are practicing unrestricted capitalism, so why would a reckoning be necessary?".

Your response was to then claim "Neither does democracy nor free speech [exist anywhere in the world]" which is clearly false.

Where I think we stand now: My opinion is that the reason these problems are mounting in the USA is due to when it exists in the money-government-power-system-life-cycle. There are surely lessons to learn here, but "unrestricted capitalism" is a misnomer and not relevant, and therefore a balance between it and other factors is by extension irrelevant. The core problem is corruption and a shift in government from prioritizing the wants of individuals to the wants of corporations. This is manifesting as both too many bad laws and not enough good laws, and a breakdown in how laws are written and maintained. There are several critical regressions, but a big one was citizens united. Overall, this particular instance of the system is at the end of its life, and requires substantial renewal. It's a messy and complex problem, and in many ways probably inevitable. It has nothing to do with unrestricted capitalism.

I admit that my original comment was insufficiently clear in representing my point and it would have been better if I had elaborated.

I am also disappointed by your continued Ad Hominem. It's exchanges like this that turn me off HN for a while.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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I'm in the UAE right now. The site www.alqst.org is blocked here. I had to turn on a VPN to read the article. Here, it's not even allowed to read about what's not allowed!

Aren’t you afraid of using a VPN and their being ramifications?

> Aren’t you afraid of using a VPN and their being ramifications?

Depending on the sophistication of the VPN software being used network traffic can appear to monitors as UDP[0] packets superficially similar to what many video games produce.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Social media companies post record earnings year after year from their ads business while increasingly proving to be harmful to society. They do the bare minimum in terms of content moderation and bots while priming the algorithms to maximize revenue. The good ol' privatized profits, socialized harm model. In a just world, would social media platforms be taxed higher on corporate revenue and how would that pan out? M…

Yea. It's side by side with lead, forever chemicals, azbestos. And by the experience people will start to do anything about it only when it will cause even bigger societal damage.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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If it was western propaganda, it would be pro-Saudi and pro-UAE

Care to characterize these ideals for us then?

Ideals? I didn't say anything about ideals. Cynicals, though…

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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post #430

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Aren’t you afraid of using a VPN and their being ramifications?

> Aren’t you afraid of using a VPN and their being ramifications? Depending on the sophistication of the VPN software being used network traffic can appear to monitors as UDP[0] packets superficially similar to what many video games produce. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol

Okay, but user NewCzech posting to HN in the UAE could probably be deanonymized by the UAE for posting their comment, if the government got really interested in the matter.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Who told you that, the entire point was to talk to girls you lacked the courage to strike up a conversation with. Saying ‘hi, I also like that band you have a shirt of’ was just too hard so we had to create trillion dollar monstrosities.

And now they just block you on first approach. Mission accomplished. Oh well, now we have AI girlfriends as the next trillion dollar industry. We'll get it next time!

Have all the greatest tragedies started from one guy feeling rejected?

Boxer Rebellion, etc.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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post #430

I'm in the UAE right now. The site www.alqst.org is blocked here. I had to turn on a VPN to read the article. Here, it's not even allowed to read about what's not allowed!

Aren’t you afraid of using a VPN and their being ramifications?

Using a common VPN on a residential IP caused my entire internet connection to be blocked for a few hours at a time after ~10 minutes, verified over a few weeks with ~3 intermittent attempts. Make of that what you will.
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