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VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by freeone3000 »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #371
2ndorderthought wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't think open models will lose. I think they are cheaper to train because they have to be more efficient than the monstrosities we have now. There is no theory that says the current frontier models cannot exist in models with 1/100th the compute waste ;). When we start trending in that direction, and oh wow we truly are, there will be no reason for these services. You could run them on your own hardware w…

I’m interested in learning more about your theory that these models can be trained more cheaply. Is anyone doing it from scratch, rather than adversarial distillation?

It almost doesn’t matter if it’s trained using adversarial distillation - if it’s nearly as good, and one-hundredth the cost, the choice is obvious.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by kllrnohj »

beardbandit wrote: post #415
l2dy wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author of that PR doesn't seem to be a Microsoft employee. Keep in mind that anyone on GitHub can create PRs against VSCode.

Author is absolutely from Microsoft https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/310226 https://github.com/cwebster-99

The linked revert PR is not from Microsoft (and also isn't merged)

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by kllrnohj »

dbeley wrote: post #215
MaKey wrote: post #100

FYI, they changed the default of 'git.addAICoAuthor' to 'chatAndAgent' afterwards: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/312880 So it was 'off' -> 'on' -> 'chatAndAgent'

This should be higher, as this dates from 5 days ago I wonder why OP didn't bother to mention this follow-up

To be fair to OP, that follow-up doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere in the discussion on #310226, either. They probably should have left a note about that change before locking the thread.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by grebc »

hparadiz wrote: post #358
grebc wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, you probably said web3 was going to change the web too.

Don't stick your head in the sand just cause one fad didn't play out.

I’m not, I’m presently underwhelmed by the examples everyone shows.

I’m yet to see actual productivity result from people paying to talk to chatbots to generate boilerplate.

But I tend to shy away from hypers so the LLM craze is passing me by. I have seen uses of AI/ML that helps recognise objects in images which I have seen it do OK at(and it should because it’s the same image just 10m down the road). A human then reviews the outputs. It also spits out highly inaccurate outputs fairly often that the human is necessary even with a feedback loop.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by dboreham »

golem14 wrote: post #375

I miss in this whole thread why this is happening. Presumably to be transparent whether code has been co-written by AI? What's in it for Microsoft? If we accept that AI can't copyright or own IP rights on something, then why? I have a sneaky suspicion that there's some lobbying in the works to overturn that ruling going forward. In the past, it was OK to build models from copyrighted data etc one might have found on…

Most odd things can be explained by imagining who might be able to buy a new boat as a result.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by andrekandre »

avd201 wrote: post #237
rsynnott wrote: post #26

One fascinating thing about the whole AI phenomenon is how incredibly hostile it is to _standards_. Whether something works properly, or is ethical, or is true, no longer matters at all; all that matters is "pls use our AI". Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation. And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. And it's not just them. There was a time that Google care…

The thing the annoys me the most (to use polite language) is that product design went off the window with the AI craze. You could probably ship actual products that actual people would want to use, but instead everyone wants to turn everything into a chatbot, as if chatbots are the pinnacle of user interface, the crabs of software, the purpose, goal, and telos of technology. It drives me nuts.

  > turn everything into a chatbot, as if chatbots are the pinnacle of user interface
i have seen this first-hand, so many chat bots added to so many screens... like how about just make the ux better? well, that wouldn't look good at individual/team review time cause its not "using ai", so its not a suprise that's what we are getting.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by jdlshore »

schwede wrote: post #382
dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

Why does the commit editor hide the coauthored message? Why not pre-populate the text field and users take or leave it when committing?

Co-Authored-By is normally a trailer, and trailers aren’t part of the commit message. It’s likely the commit editor isn’t set up to show trailers. They’re not exactly obscure, but it does seem that they’re relatively unknown.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by left-struck »

rsynnott wrote: post #26

One fascinating thing about the whole AI phenomenon is how incredibly hostile it is to _standards_. Whether something works properly, or is ethical, or is true, no longer matters at all; all that matters is "pls use our AI". Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation. And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. And it's not just them. There was a time that Google care…

Wait, when did they rehabilitate their reputation? Before AI they were already shoving crap down our throats through windows 11.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by kukkeliskuu »

makeitdouble wrote: post #199
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation. And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. Probably they thought the new generations forgot about how awful they were in the not so distant past. I think they set it all on fire because greed got the better of them again.

> greed Is a greed/not greed scale really useful to discuss company behaviors ? I wanted to say I get what you mean, but even thinking about the company I root for the most, I can't think of a point where they're not driven by their desire to make a lot more money. If your point is that there's good and bad ways to seek money, I'm not sure it's properly encompassed by "greed", which I interpret as the intensity of a…

The Seven Deadly Sins provide an interesting perspective to human psychology even in modern times. Greed / avarice is defined as wanting more than you need.
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