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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by handedness »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #298

WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY? This is the question this website should be answering. Signing petitions is all well and good, but I want to vote with my wallet. WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY??? One thing I will do in the future is buy a nifty Motorola / GrapheneOS collab phone, but I can't do that yet. So for now: WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY? It is literally amazing to me that people aren't giving this as an option on such social…

If you intend to buy a Motorola/GrapheneOS phone, donating in the meantime may appeal to you: https://grapheneos.org/donate

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Post by kube-system »

kodablah wrote: post #377
kube-system wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concepts don't need to be at odds with each other. But also, I don't think that "computing freedom" means you get to use other people's computers without consent. Let's be clear here: Google's requirement for ID only applies to apps distributed from their computer. Presuming that you do actually respect computing freedom, I'd guess you'd support them in this. I think a good compromise is that they could permit yo…

> I don't think that "computing freedom" means you get to use other people's computers without consent Consent from whom? Consent is already required, why are you discussing this as though consent is not required? Why are you stating it as if people are using other's computers without consent? Right now when I sideload an APK on _my device_, I have to explicitly consent to allowing it to install. And I do not require…

You mentioned surveillance -- I presumed you were talking about the ID requirement. This only applies if you're using Google's computers to push out your app.

If you sideload... what "surveillance" are you talking about?

> They've now decided you can't sideload until tomorrow

A single 24 hour waiting period, only the first time. Or just use ADB. The point is to prevent false-urgency scams. Honestly even this seems to me to be pretty weak.

Can you think of a single better option that has any efficacy at all?

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by frostyel »

pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Worf wrote: post #408
InexSquirrel wrote: post #318

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I hear what you're saying, especially around just moving to iOS not being a better argument. However with > And if I'm already this motivated I'm certainly motivated enough to wait 24hs on future (more locked down) devices. But I don't think that's the point. It's a continual erosion of people's ability to use hardware _they own_ in ways _they want_ under the guise of 'security' - which to be fair google does fuck al…

> It's a continual erosion of people's ability to use hardware _they own_ in ways _they want_ under the guise of 'security' - which to be fair google does fuck all to actually prevent malicious, scammy and misleading apps from appearing on their play store. A lot of people don't seem to understand this and point out that Android is still more open and free than iOS, but iOS has never been about openness and freedom.…

> People believed in Android, and in Google.

I wonder why. The last time I considered believing in Android was in 2008 when I was choosing between getting an Android phone or Openmoko phone. Went with the latter and never regretted, as Android quickly turned out to be a disappointment. This is just the continuation of the slow crawl they've been on since 20 years ago and it's been really obvious that it's going to happen. The answer is to reject Android just like iOS, not to keep hoping that inevitable isn't going to happen.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by kube-system »

monooso wrote: post #428
kube-system wrote: post #327

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??? We literally quoted the exact same text. The plan does not outline what that quote does. You only have to do all of the things the quote claims you do in one of the three possible deployment flows. In "advanced flow" you don't have to do any of them.

No, you quoted some of the text. Hence my statement that you removed the context. If you read the full quote, it's clearly stating that you cannot opt-out of the update .

Please read it again. We quoted exactly the same thing, to the character.

Also, you can certainly opt to not install android updates, if that's your preferred reading here -- so that is also false.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by JoshTriplett »

akramachamarei wrote: post #241
JoshTriplett wrote: post #181

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> I don't mind the 1 day wait too much. I do. It's my device. And I've been in the position of having to buy a replacement phone in a pinch; having to wait an extra day before having a usable replacement is not acceptable. In terms of apps I might not be able to get from the Play store: - Signal, depending on what country I'm in in the future and whether they've tried to restrict things they can't backdoor. - Vanilla…

I'm gonna try out Vanilla Music now. FWIW I use Musicolet from GPS and it's quite nice. I hope to learn whether and how our criteria intersect by exploring Vanilla.... Update: out of the box it seems to be reading tags strangely. Maybe I could fix this studying the settings more, but I'd say you have an upgrade opportunity switching off Vanilla. Signal is hard to replace though.

Honestly, the only thing I want out of Vanilla is the filesystem view. The only modes I ever use with a music player are to browse files as I organized them into folders, queue them up, and play the queue on repeat and/or shuffle.

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

Gander5739 wrote: post #422
cromka wrote: post #416

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You don't need a computer to develop Android apps?

All you need is a phone: https://github.com/atamshkai/Android-Studio-On-Android-Phone

I remember running kali linux once on my phone with (termux+vnc) and a vnc viewer app watching some random youtube videos a few years back

So I feel like, Something like this was/is possible but its immensely hard for something like this being used especially when a desktop os on a phone is so bad ergonomically speaking unless you have a keyboard mouse connected

A better option iirc is to use something like kivy[0] directly with termux, not sure if java might have direct options too or not.

[0]: https://github.com/kivy/python-for-android

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by lynndotpy »

politelemon wrote: post #290
lynndotpy wrote: post #160

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For an Android user, iOS offers better privacy (which can change at any time), but it also comes baked in with better support for some open protocols. (SMB on Files, and CalDAV/CardDAV for Calendars/Contacts/Notes integration). This has been the case for years, while aspects of the 'walled garden' have eroded over time. It's natural that this huge Android regression might be enough for someone to dip their toes into…

> iOS offers better privacy No, it markets lockin dressed up as privacy. Convincing you that they are the same thing is the real magic here.

No, it might sound smart, but it's incorrect to equivocate. You don't need to "lock in" to Apple's services either. Apple has a meaningfully better track record than Google on privacy in many regards.

(Apple's Terms of Service is also much better, for not having an arbitration clause anywhere except the Apple credit card, with a very easy opt-out flow.)

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by mattstir »

Animats wrote: post #430

Can't even run F-Droid any more? That's the only source of apps I use.

You can if you jump through Google's dubious hoops to enable "advanced mode" as described here: https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/android-de...

The steps are rather insulting and arbitrary, but at least there's some way out.

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