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Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by bojangleslover »

dwedge wrote: post #318
boulos wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This used to be true, but GCP forced their hand in January of 2024 with https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/networking/eliminatin... AWS matched a few months later: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/free-data-transfer-out-to-i... I'm not trying to convince you to stay (I work for neither anymore!), just wanted to note that you can technically request a waiver. I'm not sure how this works in practice though. Like, i…

Have you tried to use the DTO? I did. They make you fill in a form saying you'll migrate all services (despite the blog post saying that isn't necessary), and then they take up to 12 weeks to make a decision. In my case they rejected it on a formality after 2 weeks and said to try again (the timer starts again). So in my case that would have been 14 weeks plus the time to migrate away. The egress costs are equivalent…

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Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by nuthje »

rzz3 wrote: post #167
grey-area wrote: post #134

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It depends on the service and how critical that website is. Sometimes it's completely acceptable that a server will run for 10 years with say 1 week or 1 month of downtime spread over those 10 years, yes. That's the sort of uptime you can see with single servers that are rarely changed and over-provisioned as many on Hetzner are. Some examples: Small businesses where the website is not core to operations and is more…

What struck me though is that OP did so much work to migrare the server with zero downtime. The _single_ big server. Something’s off here.

Because sometimes people care about the quality of the work, even if no one else sees it. “How you do one thing is how you do everything”-thinking.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by reddalo »

dividuum wrote: post #43
largbae wrote: post #31

The migration sharing is admirable and useful teaching, thank you! I see the DigitalOcean vs Hetzner comparison as a tradeoff that we make in different domains all day long, similar to opening your DoorDash or UberEats instead of making your own dinner(and the cost ratio is similar too). I work in all 3 major clouds, on-prem, the works. I still head to the DigitalOcean console for bits and pieces type work or proof o…

Not sure if I understand what you’re trying to say, but Hetzner's Console works just like that too.

I personally find Hetzner's Console even better than DigitalOcean's one, especially since DigitalOcean now looks like three slightly different consoles depending on which page you're in. It feels like they've been migrating to a new system, but they haven't finished it yet.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by elcritch »

qudat wrote: post #176
antirez wrote: post #9

I moved two servers, one from Linode and the other from DO to Hetzner a few months ago, with similar savings. The best part was that the two servers had tens of different sites running, implemented in different languages, with obsolete libraries, MySQL and Redis instances. A total mess. Well: Claude Code migrated it all, sometimes rewriting parts when the libraries where no longer available. Today complex migrations…

I’ve been experimenting with letting a local agent manipulate my remote servers using https://bower.sh/zmx-ai-portal What’s exciting is how simple cli tools can be so impactful to dev workflows

I've been using Codex to make Ansible scripts to setup various servers. Its a nice in between.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by alfanick »

caymanjim wrote: post #171

Congrats on doing this successfully, but your setup is amateur. This would have been infinitely easier if you were using IaC (Terraform/Ansible), containerized applications (that you're not already doing that is madness), and had a high-availability cluster setup in place already. It sounds like avoiding downtime is important to you, yet there's no redundancy in the existing stack at all, and everything is done by ha…

Is this sarcasm? It's still Hacker News - running servers by hand is what people do, and it is fun to do :)

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by sva_ »

jpablo wrote: post #215

If you’re migrating a large MySQL database and you’re not using mydumper/myloader, you’re doing it the hard way. If you aren't using xtrabackup you are doing it wrong. I recently migrated a database with 2TB of data from 5.7 to 8.4 with about 15 seconds of down time. It wouldn't have been possible without xtrabackup. Mysqldumper requires a global write block, I wouldn't call blocking writes for hours a "zero downtime…

Thank you. I was confused that nobody pointed out that this "zero downtime migration" requires there to be no write to the original host for the time of the migration...

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by whatisthiseven »

rustyhancock wrote: post #60
antirez wrote: post #9

I moved two servers, one from Linode and the other from DO to Hetzner a few months ago, with similar savings. The best part was that the two servers had tens of different sites running, implemented in different languages, with obsolete libraries, MySQL and Redis instances. A total mess. Well: Claude Code migrated it all, sometimes rewriting parts when the libraries where no longer available. Today complex migrations…

Wow a Claude add embedded into a Hetzner add. How deep does this go?

It's quite telling there are no other recommendations for "bare metal hosting" on HN other than Hetzner. I guess no others in the world exist?

Or maybe it's just advertising/astro-turfing. At some point it has to be obvious.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by dwedge »

tardedmeme wrote: post #429
dwedge wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried to use the DTO? I did. They make you fill in a form saying you'll migrate all services (despite the blog post saying that isn't necessary), and then they take up to 12 weeks to make a decision. In my case they rejected it on a formality after 2 weeks and said to try again (the timer starts again). So in my case that would have been 14 weeks plus the time to migrate away. The egress costs are equivalent…

If you're in the EU and subject to the law, it might be easier to just transfer the data out and then sue them to get your money back.

I did transfer out and pay. How do I sue and how likely is it they close the account out of revenge and I lose the ~50GB that still needs to be there

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Post by alsetmusic »

antirez wrote: post #9

I moved two servers, one from Linode and the other from DO to Hetzner a few months ago, with similar savings. The best part was that the two servers had tens of different sites running, implemented in different languages, with obsolete libraries, MySQL and Redis instances. A total mess. Well: Claude Code migrated it all, sometimes rewriting parts when the libraries where no longer available. Today complex migrations…

I decided to put some tiny data online for a sync service for myself. I didn't want to learn some of the things that needed to be involved and had an agent do it for me. I wasn't willing to risk my real server incase the agent left security holes.

I got a dedicated VPS just for the one thing and it did everything. I don't have a perfect understanding of possible openings that might have been left by misconfiguration. The data in question is so trivial that it doesn't matter to me if it's read so long as my VPS doesn't become party to a botnet and I can monitor to make sure that doesn't happen and shut it down if it does.

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