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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#431

He disrupted a career fair because it had defense contractors. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/05/palest...

Ah, thank you. I'm not a native speaker so that's not what I imagined when I read that he "attended the protest for 5 minutes".

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#432
post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

Apple and Microsoft are also subject to US laws. It's not like any company can get around this.

The Apple story isn’t too bad if you can deal with the limitations of advanced data protection. It doesn’t cover email, but does cover:

  - iCloud Backup (including device and Messages backup)
  - iCloud Drive
  - Photos
  - Notes
  - Reminders
  - Safari Bookmarks
  - Siri Shortcuts
  - Voice Memos
  - Wallet passes
  - Freeform
That’s according to https://proton.me/blog/apple-icloud-privacy

A reasonable approach might be to use an iPhone with a privacy respecting email provider.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#433
post #218

The linked Google policy states: >We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. The post states that his lawyer has reviewed the subpoena, but doesn't mention whether or not it contained a non-disclosure order. That's an important detail to address if the claim is that Google acted against its own policy.

According to the ACLU [1]: > This document explains two key ways that recipients can resist immigration administrative subpoenas: First, any gag order in these subpoenas has no legal effect; you are free to publicize them and inform the target of the subpoena. Second, you do not have to comply with the subpoena at all, unless ICE goes to court—where you can raise a number of possible objections—and the court orders c…

Is the ACLU offering to pay your legal bills or participate in your defense along with that legal advice that they're offering?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That would be true if We The People were reliably informed when we showed up to cast our votes. Weren't the democrats criticised for campaigning on the message that voting for Trump was a significant risk to due process and democracy? I feel like every voter was aware of what happened on Jan 6th and still voted for him with some level of knowledge about that.

I agree. People had already experienced one round of Trump before, and had every opportunity to see what he was planning for this term. There is no reasonable conclusion other than that they indeed wanted exactly what we got.

Running against a President (especially one that is not on the ballot) is much easier than people think, all you have to do is pitch that while I may be terrible, your alternative is much, much, much worse which is exactly what the Trump campaign was all about.

It worked because a lot of people bought that story (and many continue to buy it evidenced by DJT's approval ratings among the GOP voters). The whole campaign basically had no platform other than your cookie-cutter "migrant crime", "economy bad" ...

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#435
post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there good hosted options that will not respond to non-judicial data requests? Someone is going to say self hosted is better and I don't disagree, but there's limits to how much time I can spend on self hosted stuff.

Protonmail iirc. You can even get documents and photos synced. Not sure how well it works for photos.

Protonmail is widely believed to be compromised and some evidence supporting this has come forth in two separate incidents in the last year.

Protonmail also has gone on record stating that they will comply with legal orders from the Swiss government to spy on and turn over the private data of their users.

https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest

Swiss law has recently gotten significantly more aggressive in recent years, especially wrt to prosecuting climate activists. Criminal damages for drawing with chalk on pavement, for example...

Look up the "Secret Files Scandal" of 1989 and decide for yourself how comfortable you are with Swiss law.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. People had already experienced one round of Trump before, and had every opportunity to see what he was planning for this term. There is no reasonable conclusion other than that they indeed wanted exactly what we got.

The US has very low voter turnout. Winning is mainly getting your voters to turn up, but usually apathy wins. Of course the media plays a huge part in this, but voter suppression is the US is fine art. Personally I feel that non voters effectively voted for Trump, and they should own that as much as die hard MAGA types.

> The US has very low voter turnout

Don't disagree with you in principle but 2024 saw a very, very, very large turnout for US standards - the biggest one... Kamala's 75m+ votes basically are good enough (by very wide margin) to win any previous election (slimmer margin in 2020 than others but you get my point...)

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EFF's letter offers more details and says that the subpoena did not contain a gag order: https://www.eff.org/files/2026/04/13/eff_letter_re_google_no...

Well it did contain a request to not notify according to that same letter. I suppose that brings up several questions. 1. Does that mean the same thing in the ToS? 2. How valid are these requests?

A gag order would be from a judge. There would be severe penalties if a party breaks a gag order. A request not to notify is just a request; it has zero legal standing and there would be zero repercussions to ignoring it.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#438
post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the ACLU [1]: > This document explains two key ways that recipients can resist immigration administrative subpoenas: First, any gag order in these subpoenas has no legal effect; you are free to publicize them and inform the target of the subpoena. Second, you do not have to comply with the subpoena at all, unless ICE goes to court—where you can raise a number of possible objections—and the court orders c…

Is the ACLU offering to pay your legal bills or participate in your defense along with that legal advice that they're offering?

How is that relevant?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#439
post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Migrating is such a good feeling. You don't have to do it all at once, either: I migrated to fastmail over the course of several years. Each time google did something that got my blood pressure up I went into my password manager and migrated another account. In aggregate it was a hassle, but these days I almost miss the feeling of being able to do something in response to stinky actions from google.

I don't think fastmail is going to help you. They are subject to legal requirements too and probably American jurisdiction also despite what their particular position is. https://www.fastmail.com/blog/fastmails-servers-are-in-the-u... . People love to hate Google but they're just doing what any corporation subject to law is going to do.

I wasn't looking to dodge US jurisdiction, I was looking to dodge "our craptacular moderation AI had a brainfart when reviewing your account and now you are locked out of your life."

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#440
post #218

The linked Google policy states: >We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. The post states that his lawyer has reviewed the subpoena, but doesn't mention whether or not it contained a non-disclosure order. That's an important detail to address if the claim is that Google acted against its own policy.

According to the ACLU [1]: > This document explains two key ways that recipients can resist immigration administrative subpoenas: First, any gag order in these subpoenas has no legal effect; you are free to publicize them and inform the target of the subpoena. Second, you do not have to comply with the subpoena at all, unless ICE goes to court—where you can raise a number of possible objections—and the court orders c…

The next question is, who likes paying legal fees?
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