Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

jeffgeerling.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

431–440 of 592 posts

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#431

Post by cnd78A »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #364
pseudohadamard wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will it be such a big deal though? Currently people are swapping out their phones for another model that's exactly the same but with a different number at the end of the name every 12 months. This could just mean that the unnecessary churn dies down a bit, and companies taking advantage of it have to find a new line of business.

This comment makes no sense to me. I exclusively use very low-end phones from Xiaomi. I buy a new one roughly every two years. Each new phone has a better screen, camera, CPU/GPU, charging, and sometimes more RAM/storage.

your comment makes also no sense to me, I exclusively use very low-end phones from Xiaomi since 6 years, and change it only when it's dead or when I can't run my apps (I'm afraid mine won't last 2 years more). Before this I kept my first smartphone (iphone 3GS) for 10.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#432

Post by extraduder_ire »

numpad0 wrote: post #363
KPGv2 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well first you have to learn the Arduino programming language. And the stdlib.

They don't call it C++ because that sounds too difficult. But it's literally, not like a simplified subset that compiles into an IL using a formally proven tool, but as in literally compiled using GCC as, C++.

Calling it c++ might give the wrong impression to some people too, since it doesn't have the STL, rtti, or exceptions for boards like the Uno r3.

It is c++ though. Just limited in similar ways to the US air force's requirements for using the language.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#433

Post by crote »

tempest_ wrote: post #39
michaelt wrote: post #26

> The price increases bring the 16GB Pi 5 up to $299.99. Meanwhile, a refurbished corporate laptop with 16GB RAM and a 512GB SSD can be yours for $199 [1] I'm sure there will still be people who want the Pi 5 but at these prices, I ain't one of them. [1] https://www.ebay.com/itm/327079631563

Those will dry up soon enough. Corporate laptop refreshes will be drawn out as they try and cost save on the increased price. You also better hope the aliexpress dont figure out a way to get the RAM out of those things because they will start harvesting it for sure if there is money to made.

Windows 11 requiring a TPM is still going to force a decent number of replacements: extended support on W10 is $61 Y1, $122 Y2, $244 Y3.

Delaying that refresh might actually end up the more expensive option.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#434

Post by Sammi »

michaelt wrote: post #26

> The price increases bring the 16GB Pi 5 up to $299.99. Meanwhile, a refurbished corporate laptop with 16GB RAM and a 512GB SSD can be yours for $199 [1] I'm sure there will still be people who want the Pi 5 but at these prices, I ain't one of them. [1] https://www.ebay.com/itm/327079631563

Those are not in the same order of magnitude in power consumption or physical size. This drastically changes their optimal use cases.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#435

Post by cnd78A »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #412
karimf wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is huge problem for developing countries. Most people here have $100-$200 phones. iPhone is a luxury.

[flagged]

Many countries would develop much faster if there weren't bombed nor maintain by puppet dictactors from (economically) developped nations (USA and france keep doing this intensively, while countries like Germany dont mind supporting fascist states). (PS: I'm not woke, not even Marxist).

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#436

Post by bonzog »

JollySharp0 wrote: post #192
kelnos wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Scalpers claimed to have cards. But I wouldn't risk sending a lot of money to some random seller on ebay. Ah, so you could have bought one, but you judged the available suppliers to be too risky. Completely fair, but then it's not true that you couldn't buy one "at any price". It was just not a price+risk that you were willing to take. Also, re: Raspberry Pis, you couldn't always get the exact RAM configuration you…

> Completely fair, but then it's not true that you couldn't buy one "at any price". It was just not a price+risk that you were willing to take. You are being pedantic. I find this type of discussion very tiresome. I've explained why in other forks of this thread. Quite honestly it pisses me off. > Also, re: Raspberry Pis, you couldn't always get the exact RAM configuration you wanted, but they were pretty continuousl…

>Not in the UK.

This was my experience, too. Pis would disappear from online retailers before you noticed the stock alert email.

I only got hold of a Pi 4 by chance when Raspberry Pi did an official pop-up store in Southampton for one day only. The queue to get in was about 45 mins long.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#437

Post by crote »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #246
bashtoni wrote: post #95

Helium supply issues are only going to make this worse. I feel like for the first time in our lives we might have seen peak technology for the next few years. Everyone is going to have to make do instead of depending on ever increasing performance.

> Helium supply issues are only going to make this worse. I believe helium, although important constitutes a small percent of the cost of semiconductors, so its effect on price will be less severe. It will be more noticeable in other uses of helium though - party balloons could get very expensive etc.

On the other hand: how flexible is the demand?

A hospital isn't going to shut down because their MRI's new helium load is getting more expensive - they'll pay a fortune for it. For a lot of other applications there are no suitable alternatives either.

The real question then becomes: what's going to happen when there's a 1000x price increase?

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#438

Post by Rochus »

My migration from the Oberon System 3 to the Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 comes at just the right time as it seems (see https://github.com/rochus-keller/OberonSystem3Native/release...). There is also a stand-alone version of the compiler that runs on all standard systems (see https://github.com/rochus-keller/op2/).

Maybe the company will extend the availability of the Model 2b for a few more years and release versions with less RAM (<= 500 MB)?

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#439

Post by Sammi »

pseudohadamard wrote: post #414
nullbyte808 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hypothetically what would happen if China took over Tawain and TSMC?

There would be a brief, or possibly extended depending on how much damage the fabs took, outage, then it'd be back to business as usual.

Russia weren't able to take Ukraine even when they were able to just drive their tanks right up to Kiyv. Modern warfare tech just favors the defender too much. China has ninety km of sea to cross before they even get to Taiwan. Missiles and drones have already taken out the Russian naval fleet in the Black Sea. China will be losing a lot in the same way if they ever attempt the crossing.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

#440

Post by nehal3m »

leptons wrote: post #348
therealdrag0 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep I’ve seen multiple instances of this so far.

Yeah, I got the AI to convert some code that ran at 30fps in Javascript to C, and it resulted in a program that generated 1 frame every 20 seconds. Then I told it to optimize it, and now it's running at 1 fps. After going back and forth with the AI for hours, it never got faster than 1 fps. I guess I'm "doing it wrong" as the hypesters like to tell me.

Try converting the Javascript into a slide deck and spam the next button.
Post reply on HN