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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by exceptione »

frevib wrote: post #364
wolvoleo wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I was thinking of getting infomaniak for my mail. I don't really care for the encryption thing of proton (all email comes in in plain text anyway!) and I want to just be able to do plain imap without bridges. But their stuff just feels a bit weird somehow. I didn't really want to commit yet. I'm glad to hear you had good experiences.

Proton has mail, calendar, drive, docs, sheets and more coming. Everything is done e2ee where possible. In case of mail, when the peer has no Proton, mail is indeed send plaintext. Mail is stored e2ee on server, so not even Proton can read it. Proton mail has also made PGP very easy to use. It’s Swiss based and a foundation, not a corporation. They’ve done this so they cannot easily be bought. It ticks most boxes in…

> Mail is stored e2ee on server

Exclusively, or do they keep caches around? I am asking since everything is clear text in the webmail. I wonder if they handle the rare case of proton to proton (encrypted) mail differently from regular unencrypted mail. I assume they have to decrypt a master key stored on the server with your password, and then decrypt every encrypted email on the fly on the server, or they have to send the master key to the client side.

Now think that through when you have thousands of searchable e-mails, sorted arbitrarily. I won't say it is impossible, but I think that maintaining plain text indexes rather than encrypted ones are really tempting.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

foldr wrote: post #400
_osud wrote: post #309

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Oh no, that's totally up to you. If you're happy with the courts in your country not being able to review the requests sent from Hungary, that's cool. Without transparent judicial review, how could we even know if the cases are concerning?

EIOs are subject to review by the recipient state. It seems that you can’t point to a single relevant example of a concerning EIO from Hungary.

"Subject to review" means little more than "is the form filled correctly?", it certainly does not mean second-guessing by the courts in the executing state.

Like, yeah, your EIO will be rejected if you don't tick any of the crime-category boxes in the form.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by dudefeliciano »

nozzlegear wrote: post #279
microtonal wrote: post #178

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The US is at position 57 in the world free speech index. Virtually all EU countries do better and a bunch are top 10: https://rsf.org/en/index American exceptionalism doesn’t seem to know boundaries.

You linked to a site about press freedom, which is a subset of free speech and not generally what Americans are talking about when they talk about freedom of speech.

"Congress shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."

that does not imply one being the subset of the other to me, if anything they are clearly defined and therefore clearly separate.

Trump refuses to answer simple questions and attacks and mocks reporters, that's if they're lucky and he doesn't directly sue them for millions/billions. Hell, the white house banned Associated Press. Is that free speech or freedom of the press?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by bluebarbet »

kgwxd wrote: post #350
Besticle wrote: post #244

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If you're going through all that effort why not migrate to open-source/self-hosted?

Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important. Registrar, and search? Not possible. Maps? Paper would be more practical. Browser, done. Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

>Maps? Paper would be more practical.

On the contrary, maps are (IMO) one domain where FOSS is genuinely better. OpenStreetMap data is far more detailed than any corporate map, and the available clients (Osmand in particular) are far more powerful.

You-know-who can only compete because of its (admittedly useful) data on businesses. And, alas, because of ignorance among normies, many of whom are still clueless that, for example, for hiking or outdoor wayfinding, there are much better alternatives available.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by bigfudge »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #404
panda-giddiness wrote: post #372

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What a disingenuous comparison. The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years. In contrast, the corresponding wiki article on the US ("Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States" [1]) estimates more than 900 deaths per year. Indeed, the number of slayings is so great that the article does not tabulate the s…

> 552 people over the last 100 years What a disingenuous comment. Do we really think that is the case? You ignored my other link. Imagine the outrage EU would have had if US seized immigrants jewelry. Yet, Denmark gleefully does that. Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings.

> Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings.

This is either disingenuous or misunderstands the nature of European constitutional monarchies.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by erikvanoosten »

cicko wrote: post #329
darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

Hasn't TomTom completely pivoted to OpenStreetMap? From direct contact, I know that they are very active in OSM communities now.

OSM is one of multiple data sources for TomTom.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #284
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

As long as you stay away from questionable behaviour, there is very little chance to encounter the police in the EU or having problems with your privacy. USA is different in that regard. Your existence can be a problem. Or monetary interests will risk your privacy to whoever wants to make money with you. EU is not perfect, but saver than the USA in those matters (if you want to only invest a reasonable amount of effo…

EU is not a single uniform blob. There are neighbourhoods where you have to worry about being shot, and there are neighbourhoods where people leave their keys inside their cars.

So, with the police? YMMV.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by nottorp »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #154
sobiolite wrote: post #5

I’m not with I could ever migrate away from Gmail, even if I wanted to. I have so many accounts and services linked to it.

There's no point in switching. Most of these people are dealing with a threat that has an extremely low probability of happening. It is not in any practical way going to affect your life and for most of the people here busy switching to EU services they likely don't have any major example of where it has affect them or anyone one degree away from them. It's mostly an ideal. Like OSS. The practical reality means that…

With google, the problem is that their "AI" can randomly ban you though. And the only recourse is making it to the top of HN. If that even works any more.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by messe »

noobermin wrote: post #422
nozzlegear wrote: post #240

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> the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order The EU is just one AfD win away from doing the same thing. It's not immune to this issue either, you have the same problem happening right under your noses.

Europeans are so blind to how they are essentially on the same path as the US, the US just got there first.

While there is a trend toward the right in many (not all) EU countries, it's a far cry from the shit show on the other side of the Atlantic.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by sofixa »

noobermin wrote: post #422
nozzlegear wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order The EU is just one AfD win away from doing the same thing. It's not immune to this issue either, you have the same problem happening right under your noses.

Europeans are so blind to how they are essentially on the same path as the US, the US just got there first.

Most European countries have functioning legal and electoral systems, and more than two parties. On top of that, constitutional courts aren't political appointments.

So it would be incredibly hard for a political entity like AfD or RN to gain full and absolute power like the orange has achieved. Even in the worst cases, those parties usually only have ~30% popular support at most, which usually translates to at most ~30-40% of seats in parliament. Which means they cannot even get parliamentary majority, and probably can't get head of state either.

Americans just like to pretend things aren't that bad and they aren't the only ones falling into the abyss.

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