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Re: You are not your job

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Well... it was 2012 so makes sense. > they fall for those jerks because those jerks have other things they can offer. Ha! That reminds me that I, somewhat unknowingly, in the past have emulated the good parts of a jerk to be more attractive myself. What are the good parts of a jerk? They are: adventurous, spontaneous, in the moment, doesn't take everything too seriously, thrill seeking and confident. It made me much…

> Oh and I still was nice too. That is a judgment reserved exclusively to third parties, I’m afraid.

Which is why a lot of people are called jerks when in truth they're not actually doing anything wrong.

Re: You are not your job

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post #103

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> Your ability to connect, be present, and make people feel understood is what makes you irreplaceable They say this to a group of people that often struggles with all of these but still have managed to make a living off of solving technical problems in the past. Don't worry, you can just fall back on your famously great people skills!

Have you ever had an experience where you objectively were doing something technically complex yet someone dismissed it because it wasn't "relevant" in their eyes? That's a people skills problem, believe it or not. At the very least, it's a philosophical problem.

Something in my comment triggered people to think I'm saying that communication skills aren't important or worth bothering with, so obviously there's room for improvement there.

But that's kind of beside the point isn't it? If you've spent years of your life learning specific skills to offer some benefit to society, and suddenly the society decides they need far fewer people with those skills (and thus don't want to employ you), that just fundamentally has to suck for a lot of people.

Saying "cheer up, you can just compensate with this other skill" is just ignoring that fundamental reality. And I think we've all met people who were diligent and technically competent but "a bit weird", but found a refuge in tech (note: I'm not necessarily talking about "assholes" here). Those people are going to have an even harder time, and that's not because of their "toxic" identification with their job (i.e. source of income and primary form of service to society).

And I hesitate to mention this, but I don't feel I'm in this situation. I just see it happening to people in my industry and worry about the future.

Re: You are not your job

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The ability to care for someone in any material sense requires economic resources. Even having free time is a form of wealth that not all enjoy.

Have you ever organized with your community before? No offense but you come across as a libertarian trying to monetize social relationships. It comes across as deeply human. It also declares that people have no agency, it's just a pathetic view point on humanity and our potential. To think money is the only thing that is of highest value in our incredibly short lives is a mental sickness.

Are you responding to the right post? I never said any of that.

All I said was if you have to work 3 jobs just to pay rent, you probably aren't going to be caring for many people no matter how much you might want to, simply due to limited hours in the day. Never mind people with actual disabilities.

Re: You are not your job

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The ability to care for someone in any material sense requires economic resources. Even having free time is a form of wealth that not all enjoy.

"All" is a pretty high bar. I think a huge proportion of the developed world has a lot of choice and is repeatedly choosing stuff/experiences over people. Not sure how we'd find data to resolve that... People living paycheck to paycheck, or not having $400 to cover a bill is not really proof without understanding how they're spending money... As far as I can tell a lot of today's economic woes in the developed world…

A lot of that is just technological advancement. The baseline has shifted up, you aren't going to save any money by driving a Ford Model T. Quite the opposite in fact, given the maintenance and obscure parts it requires.

Likewise not having a smartphone means you're less able to participate in the economy, and can in fact impair one's social life as most things are coordinated via group chat these days.

If you want to go live like it's 1910, that is an option, but unless you're willing to become Amish you will find it socially isolating and surprisingly expensive. It will not fix your economic woes, it will simply swap them for the economic woes of yesteryear and you'll learn first-hand why we developed things like washing machines.

IMO the real culprit is the financialization of everything over the last 50 years, and lax anti-trust enforcement. Since the 70s, every excuse in the book has been used to not pay workers more. Your house is now an asset! Your company-managed pension is now a self-managed 401k! You can get loans for everything under the sun, endless credit! Why care about the total cost of goods when you can just pay it off in installments? Anything but actually paying the middle class a bigger piece of the pie so they might be able to buy something with actual savings like we're taught to do as kids. Competition to bring down prices? Nope, we're approving every corporate consolidation from now until the end of time and bailing them out with taxpayer money when they fail! They jumped the shark a bit proposing 50 year mortgages to fix the housing crisis.

It's always sold to the public as "freedom", because the public is/was the most gullible entity. Mediocre people love pretending that they're the masters of their own destiny.

The net effect is that there is no adjustment to lifestyle you can make to offset the rising cost of everything without sacrificing your ability to prosper in the first place. If there were, West Virginia would be prospering right now. You can go full Diogenes if you like, that's all romantic until you get sick, and God forbid you have dependents who look to you for food and healthcare and you tell them that you can't provide it because that would require lifestyle inflation.

Re: You are not your job

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I read that relic just now for the first time. There's some truth in there about in case of a serious emergency you mostly need competence over empathy. But, to me, it's always love, empathy and connectedness that wins. Why are you commenting on HN? Is it for bringing value in return for money or services or material goods? I don't think so. It is about human connection. In absence, life or death makes not much diffe…

Love, empathy, and connectedness are something you have to put in effort (lots of effort in some cases) and skill ( that has to be learned and honed) to express to the recipient in a way that gets through to them. Your mention of "return for money or services or material goods" shows you didn't get the point of the article; the author plainly explains why it isn't about money in #4.

Well i wrote services as well. But anyways, since you were so kind as to take the effort of pointing me out the pointe, I took the effort of watching half of Baldwin's monologue and read the text below in more detail. Very interesting, it makes me understand better why the article today still is referred to. The douchebags for which some pretty women - knowingly or subconsciously - fall, often have a skill, other than just their slick douchebag appearances and schwung. So just being mister nice guy doesn't cut it. I can't help being a nice guy - - Thanks for giving me food for thought!

Re: You are not your job

#436

Being able to see ourselves as something beyond our job (our means of survival) is a luxury. If a person can't provide for themselves the rest goes out the window fast. The only way to ease the anxiety in people isn't with fluff about their 'human worth', but rather to help them envision other tangible and plausible ways in which they can provide for themselves. The cold reality, in my opinion, is that the things we…

Your view is disgusting and the fact that your comment is the top one here shows how broken society is.

Re: You are not your job

#437

> The regrets were about relationships. Not staying in touch with friends. Not expressing what they felt. Working too hard. Not living true to themselves. The people who were dying weren't grieving their lost productivity. > The people who love you don't love you because you're good at your job. They love you because of something else entirely. Maybe it's your humor. Maybe it's that you actually listen. Maybe it's th…

> But a man's native instinct is to achieve great things, push the boundaries, achieve fame.

I don't care to spend my time worrying about the manliness of the things I value or strengthening the strictures that narrow the possibilities in my life. Ends that arise out of ego, like fame, are fleeting and not worth pursuing in my book.

Re: You are not your job

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This is incredibly naive. Hunter gatherer communities, especially those in regions without an abundance of food, are and were extremely selective about who were accepted and who weren't. This starts from infancy where non-desirable babies were simply killed. Estimates vary greatly but perhaps around a third to half of "modern" hunter gatherer tribes practice infanticide. The stated reasoning behind infanticides is of…

>when you look at any group of individuals in a tribe, survivorship bias will dictate that it all looks nice and rosy there is a lot of conjecture in your overall post, but I think this is a fair takeaway you put at the end.

Late reply, but in case you'll check I think most of what I said is sourced from sources of varying quality and salience, but at least it's sourced from somewhere. But I just typed it all out quickly without checking anything over, so a lot might be wrong. But it's not entirely pulled out of my ass at least.

Evolutionary history is of course always difficult. I think the loneliness part comes mostly from the kurzgesagt video on loneliness, as well as some other stuff here and there. Rate of infanticide is roughly correct with quick Google. Rest of tribal stuff is from a variety of books and high school social anthropology. I think I actually have the "reasoning for infanticide" part from sex at dawn, of all places.

I'm always scared to run a deep research service to find the counterpoints after I type this kind of stuff out, but feel free to do so for me and dress me down. At least survivorship bias is a classic that's pretty much always worth keeping in mind on any topic.

Re: You are not your job

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Only way UBI works is if the govts increase taxes on all income or any income to almost 90%+... And then re-distribute to each person accordingly. That ain't happening, no govt will be willing to try that, and rich won't let that happen, they will become slightly rich from very rich. that just ain't happening.

If we are able to fill our storefronts with magnificent AI creations for cents on the dollar, would that be profitable enough for the producers to pay enough tax to cover UBI? Producers would still face pricing pressure to lower margins to eat up all those productivity gains. Every path forward seems very uncertain

I think you didn't understand I didn't mean tax income literally I meant tax everything ala wealth. No private ownership beyond your home and a set of vehicles for transport.

Now if you are saying there won't be any wealth in the post AI era, sure there might just be power or energy then we will tax that, 90% of energy generated is owned by populace they get to use it sell it or whatever.

Imagine if humans had control over energy that machines/AI needed for production, then can't they just ask AI to do work to feed, cloth and help humans?

Re: You are not your job

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post #149

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> Your average person doesn't know how to grow their own food And, you know the sad part? A lot of places don't allow you to even try to learn. For example, my current place that I rent has a yard (it's a nice little trailer home), but I'm not allowed to have a garden. They even chopped down the nice tree that was growing in the yard when I first moved in. Oh, I can certainly try to grow stuff inside in containers, b…

You can't afford a $10 plastic container for growing plants? If that is true (which I doubt), I would be willing to drop you a few bucks via PayPal.

Nah, it's okay. I'm not gonna be homeless thankfully. My bills are getting paid, food is on the table, and so forth. But that also means I don't really have much money for nonessentials. For example, my _monthly_ "Fun" budget? Only $8.10.

What can I say? Retail does not provide a living wage.

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