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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by beedeebeedee »

brightball wrote: post #260
mikkupikku wrote: post #241

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The real dangers to peace in the Middle East are America, Israel and historically the British, because these three are the bastards that toppled Iran's democracy and lead them to such a defensive posture in the first place. With the utmost respect, kindly blow your judeo-american sanctions out your ass. America should have NOTHING to do with Iran whatsoever, we don't have any moral right to intervention here.

It’s impossible to take anyone seriously who dismisses the threat of developing a nuclear weapon with intent to use it. Sponsoring and funding global terror networks is not a “defensive posture”. Giving speeches about nuking your enemy while secretly developing those capabilities isn’t either.

Please apply your thoughts to Israel then. Israel is the greatest destabilizing force in the middle east. From Gaza, to false flags in Iran, Saudi Arabia and who knows where else.

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Post by lukan »

JackFr wrote: post #240
10xDev wrote: post #112

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A double tap strike as well. Definitely no mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack Edit: *triple tap.

Triple tap seems to indicate definitely a mistake in targeting. Despite the war aims being nebulous, illegal, and ever changing, none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school.

"Despite the war aims being nebulous, illegal, and ever changing, none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school."

If the goal is to force the enemy into giving up? Many are willing to give their life to a cause, but way less are willing to give the lifes of their children.

This was not just some school, but a school where the children of the iranian leadership are going to.

And coincidently Trump himself said he would target the families of terrorists, if voted into power.

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-ter...

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by beedeebeedee »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #410
trimethylpurine wrote: post #390

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Military action always has civilian casualties. All you can do is hope and make effort to reduce them. And I'm glad we're on the side that does that.

You are absolutely not on the side that does that. The US has killed millions of civilians over the past century in all of the wars it's partaken in and pardons its own war criminals, on the very rare occasion it bothers to try them in the first place. Fuck me American propaganda is in another world.

Israeli propaganda. America is fighting this war but not leading it

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by beedeebeedee »

torginus wrote: post #423
Pay08 wrote: post #369

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With what communication protocol? Does high-frequency radio have the range for that?

I was thinking you could run a fiber optic cable. Those have proven themselves to work over 10s of miles in Ukraine with drones.

That’s an interesting idea. I think the fiber optics for drones works because it is only used once over a short period of time. It seems like a cable connected to a mine could be easily disrupted by dragging an anchor with a small robot boat.

And as another commenter noted, mines get moved by currents, so the cable could get tangled and snap.

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Post by scarecrowbob »

watwut wrote: post #424
gruez wrote: post #261

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>this is not proof of a mistake. The "proof" of the mistake is Hanlon's razor and the fact that the school was adjacent a military facility and the building itself used to be for military purposes.

> Hanlon's razor At this point, Hanlon's razor should be considered a fallacy. In fact, quite a lot of what looked like incompetence was malice. Intentional and proud malice. It does not mean there is no incompetence, but Hanlon's razor is no longer valid. Second, army working group meant to ensure these mistakes wont happen was dismantled by Hegseth. All the while he framed such efforts as woke nonsense and praised…

I wonder if there is some kind of new law that we should be looking at drafting, in which we hold accountable folks who attribute bad actions to incompetence instead of malice despite the actors being explicitly malicious?

I think that covers a lot of western media in all the wars the US has waged in my lifetime:

it's always "a regrettable (but worthwhile) mistake" until it's a "horrific but unique war crime"... it's never "who the fuck said these vicious idiots could kill whoever they want and never face just and material consequences for their crimes".

This shit certainly seems intentional. Maybe the folks who are attributing things to "incompetence" are just projecting their own incompetencies in interpreting the world, but at this point I suspect that they to are complicit in this malice.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by fluidcruft »

axegon_ wrote: post #58
lukan wrote: post #48

Ok, I did win. Do I get cheaper gasoline now?

Probably not. Afaik only the Dutch have eaten their leader in a time of desperation and while I'm not saying that other nations should have taken notes, we are probably all thinking it...

idk prions are a concern

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by Hikikomori »

convolvatron wrote: post #402
mlsu wrote: post #394

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https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...

I still think often about the article. it was published in the runup to full on invasion of Iraq by Bush Jr. While it certainly was spot on capturing the dynamic of the argument, it was also deeply prescient about the impacts of that war. and now we find ourselves in nearly the same situation "they will welcome us as liberators", "it will just take two weeks", "the United States was in imminent danger of attack by we…

And netanyahu was there to lie to congress about WMDs back then as well.

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Post by Hikikomori »

wholinator2 wrote: post #296
malfist wrote: post #88

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What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Okay, let's compare. How many iranians has the regime killed over the last few months. They've said they would continue indiscriminately killing as long as it took, the regime would literally destroy Iran rather than let go of their dreams of Muslim empire. They killed tens of thousands of people. Every persian person i know or have even heard about had been highly supportive of the war, with the singular goal of rep…

And America will as usual allow a dictator to take power, only difference will be to allow US corporations to profit from their oil.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by mikkupikku »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #248
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #205

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??? Do most of your everyday life decisions involve starting wars or killing people? That's concerning. Are you a high-ranking officer in the US military? As it happens, I'm not, and my decisions do not typically have life-or-death consequences. I also don't even know what you're getting at. There was nothing "relativistic" or "morally grey" about my argument. My point is that in order for any kind of peace to exist,…

But if you're getting attacked for 4 decades by another country, do you do something about it or are you saying that's also wrong? My understanding is that the regime in Iran has been terrorizing around the world for decades. It's not just disagreeable. People are seeking justice. It's one thing to dislike another politician. No one needs justice for repugnancy. But if they are committing acts of terror, that's a tot…

> My understanding is that the regime in Iran has been terrorizing around the world for decades

The list of Iranian terror attacks in America amounts to a whole lot of fuck all. Whatever Iran might be doing elsewhere shouldn't be America's problem.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by Hikikomori »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #415
trimethylpurine wrote: post #412

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Your other comment is locked apparently. Can't reply. But there you suggested that the US should stop because they make Iran want to bomb and that's why there's war. And we can say the same about Iran. So, your solution is hopeless as we already know from centuries of conflict history. Iran wants to kill us for historical events. We want to kill them for those too. Very insightful. But we're bigger and the war is jus…

> Iran wants to kill us for historical events. No, Iran wants to kill you for current events. You're talking like American imperialism in the Middle East is past-tense. It is on-going, constantly. It is happening right now . This, itself, is an imperialist war. Trump is not going to war for whatever fucking reason you think he is, like stopping terrorism or changing the Iranian regime to help the Iranian people. > Yo…

Just to add, Israel killed Irans negotiators last year when they were approaching a deal. This situation is manufactured.
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