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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by TheAlchemist »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #309
TheAlchemist wrote: post #241

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While I somewhat agree, you should also look at the results of those precision strikes. Usually, when they kill a senior Iranian officer sleeping in his appartment, they level the building or at lest blow up several adjacent units, probably killing at last 10 innocent people.

That's an inherent limitation of precision strikes. The objective is minimizing the collateral damage required to achieve the objective, not avoiding it entirely. Even the various explosive-free precision-guided munitions the US uses have a non-zero damage radius. One can argue whether or not it is a good idea for the bombs to be flying around in the first place, but there is no version of physics that allows anyone…

I know. I'm just saying that the way we talk about 'precision strikes' in the west, make one feel like only the target is eliminated, while in reality we usually blow half of the building the target was in, along with all the people. I would actually be interested by a poll on what people in the US think about how many innocent people are killed in a precision or elimination strike on average - I bet it would be something like less than 1.

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Post by UltraSane »

cardanome wrote: post #416
UltraSane wrote: post #311

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"Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. " This feels far too much like Iranian government propaganda to be plausible.

Mossad has literally admitted to that. Let me even quote an Israeli newspaper: > On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations. > “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and…

Iranians don't NEED any external motivation to riot. The current Shia Theocracy that runs Iran is completely insane and incompetent and cruel.

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Post by beedeebeedee »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #412
yongjik wrote: post #244

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I don't know which country you're from, but in most countries, "our troops may get bombed if we join this war" is a very strong public argument against joining the war. Just look at Trump's latest attempt to enlist his "allies" into sending warships to the Strait of Hormuz, and what a resounding success it was.

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Post by readitalready »

gizajob wrote: post #69
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

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Post by TheAlchemist »

leereeves wrote: post #349
verzali wrote: post #337

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We should have little sympathy for them, but ill thought out war will do nothing to improve things for those citizens. Far more likely the opposite.

This seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office Ali Larijani – Senior nation…

The way this war is shown to us (West) is very loopsided - Iran was never going to be able to stop the bombing and they knew it. But they still retain most of their ability to blow up anything they want around their country, which is most of oil and gas fields in the Middle East, and this time they actually proved it.

We like to think we're winning, but are we ? Iran leadership is supposedly decimated, missile capabilities destroyed etc. And yet, when Israel attacked their gas field, they immediately wiped out 17% of Qatari gas productions capacities which will take 5 years to rebuild and they could have wiped out everything. Seems their leadership structure is doing just fine.

As for all the killed - what did we actually achieve ? Replace Khamenei with his son - a guy who had all of his family blown up to pieces by US / Israeli ? That should do wonders to Iran's future relationship with those countries.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

yongjik wrote: post #424
DoctorOetker wrote: post #412

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So you are embarrassed that your leaders don't want their soldiers to die in a war started by another country without providing any semblance of justification? ...I'm just glad that European politicians take their soldiers' lives more seriously than the court of public opinions. Well, at least some of them. That's the mark of being an adult.

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Post by readitalready »

tim333 wrote: post #421
throwaw12 wrote: post #256

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> tens of thousands of their own citizens Any credible source for this? 1. Western media is not credible because West treats Iran as enemy 2. Iranian media is not credible because they obviously want to hide facts when they're negative Now my question is, why are you spreading unverifiable information as something credible and building your facts on top of it?

Not sure how credible but iranintl.com has >36,500 killed in 400 cities... Our Editorial Board has now obtained more detailed information provided by the IRGC Intelligence Organization to the Supreme National Security Council. they are an Iranian opposition outfit funded but the Saudis. ( https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 )

iranintl, yah that's an instant rejection.

There are zero verified sources of any mass killings by the Iranian government. In fact all evidence points to Mossad agents committing the mass killings of Iranian government officials as caught on video, including the wrestler that was just executed for killing a police officer with a machete, on video.

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Post by dingaling »

kenhwang wrote: post #156
zabzonk wrote: post #57

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> a non manoeuvrable warhead (would just be intercepted) Intercepted? In the UK, by what? London has no missile defence system that I am aware of.

Probably by the Sea Viper system from a destroyer parked in the Dover Strait. Now, the UK probably doesn't have enough interceptors or destroyers carrying them to be confident they'll be able to stop a proper all out attack, but that seems to be a common problem with every Western country right now with a peacetime military budget in an increasingly unpeaceful time.

Sea Viper can defend against short / medium-range BMs impacting in its vicinity, not IRBMs passing overhead in mid-course to a distant target.
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