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Post by [deleted] »

jayd16 wrote: post #362
ThalesX wrote: post #135

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, w…

Has any popular site tried an approach where you dynamically select your mods as more of a content filter than global moderation? Most places can hide posts and block users at the user level, so why not select which mods can do that for you?

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Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by clouedoc »

deanc wrote: post #425
abetusk wrote: post #424

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The bot problem can be solved. Anubis is one such answer [0]. Cryptocurrency and micro transactions are another. In the last few decades, spam was a problem because the marginal transaction costs of information exchange were orders of magnitude lower than they had been. Note that physical mail spam was, and still, is an issue. Focusing on perceptual or fuzzy computation as the limiting factor, through captchas and ot…

I don't see how Anubis solves anything. If a human lets the bot control a completely vanilla computer (which there is now a lot of tooling for), then how is it going to stop that?

At most, PoW makes it a bit annoying to scale: you need to add some form of RPC that delegates solving to a beefy+cheap Hetzner server. If you're really scaling and it's getting expensive, you can rent a GPU to do batch solves.

PoW systems like Anubis are self-soothing.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by freedomben »

9rx wrote: post #373
freedomben wrote: post #334

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It was pretty decent in the mid and late 00s. The community started turning toxic in the very early 10s and by about 2015 was quite poisonous. The saddest part is that the problem was known and spoken about frequently, but the response to that from staff and/or high-level mods was to just double down and dig in.

I'm too old, but it seemed like it would be decent for a beginner in the mid-to-late 00s. But it never handled advanced, difficult topics very well.

For sure, advanced difficult topics were never really their forte', although it was really common to get great book or blog recommendations via comments. For me, the golden combination was a good book on the language/framework/topic I was stuyding, supplemented with specific Q&A from Stack Overflow. I have extremely fond memories learning C++ and Qt that way (although that Qt book was a little rough, but at least there was a Qt book. Nowadays every book just seems too outdated to be helpful).

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Post by pndy »

papyrus9244 wrote: post #418
pixl97 wrote: post #398

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A lot of banning for one, along with getting rid of most politics and off topic stuff. Issue is we are seeing a ton of AI stuff getting posted so it's a losing battle.

I used to love HN. Lots of interesting stuff, great articles, novel projects. Now it feels like the frontpage is always around 70% LLM-related stuff. And not breakthrough research or projects, just "new Claude version X" and shit like that. Eternal September I guess?

Try this: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/462650-hacker-news-filter - works pretty well.

And once again, mandatory tags feature which you could either use to hide content or "subscribe" to would help here.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by recursivecaveat »

Contax wrote: post #367
ThalesX wrote: post #135

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, w…

I've always thought than on Reddit (or Digg, or Lemmy or others) common words, brands, names... should be broad "topics" or categories that nobody can claim (first come, first served). You should be able to add a sub/community under a topic, but just like everyone else, and then users interested in said topic could add and exclude different subs to taste.

I always thought it would be interesting to separate the post-side and the read-side in such a manner. You'd post to #programming, and then the reader would subscribe to #programming/user_xyz to pick up the moderation feed with xyz as the god-mod. This solves the bootstrapping problem where new subs have nothing to read. Unfortunately it's hard to do persistent standards keeping that way. If xyz has a no-memes policy do you ban all posts from everyone who ever posts one to the global tag, or do you individually inspect every post?

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by mschuster91 »

happyopossum wrote: post #254
mschuster91 wrote: post #218

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You need to ditch and replace all your devices and acquire a new phone number. I'm serious. Virtually all large websites these days employ a lot of fingerprinting and persistence technologies. And yes, ditch them. Even well over a decade ago, Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts. You must be extremely careful of never using any device that was associated with your o…

> and acquire a new phone number > Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts That’s… well, that’s just not how tcp/ip works. Your phone number has nothing to do with your device IP…

Phone numbers are available to many apps if they target older SDK versions and serve as an additional unique identifier.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by pndy »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #60

Is that the whole story? Why isn't reddit overrun by bots then (or are they?), and why wouldn't basic proof-of-work techniques fence against bots? Since they started out just in January, isn't it plausible to assume they didn't meet their target user figures and investors jumped ship?

Surely that's what happen. They probably couldn't compete with reddit at this point and bots were a secondary issue. Hoping that the interest will develop on its own, partially by the brand knowledge among older users wasn't enough.

It's been over a decade now and reddit despite of own exodus that happen recently still remains the default social link aggregator, and a global multi-forum. Not mention that younger generations prefer different kind of platforms and this largely-text based site might be not attractive to them at all

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Post by pndy »

ivm wrote: post #248
gzread wrote: post #212

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Why doesn't that make sense?

Because there's no real discussion in such broad communities. Only jokes, generic replies, and silly fights. They're equivalent to comment sections on news sites.

> They're equivalent to comment sections on news sites.

In my country these are either gone or provided by facebook.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by pndy »

akomtu wrote: post #118

Registration by snail mail coming soon to most of the Internet?

I have a hazed memory of a site/software that was collecting postcards from around the world from their users - as a form of appreciation or something.

That could become a kind of a solution here but then again, some already mentioned that wouldn't stop bad actors from running AI on their accounts anyway.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by flomo »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #245
flomo wrote: post #173

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IMO this is inevitable. HN is freaking about about the end of the anonymous internet, but it's already over and we're just figuring it out. Eventually the bots will find their 90s cyberpunk cosplay IRC channel too.

> Eventually the bots will find their 90s cyberpunk cosplay IRC channel too. How do you figure? If these bots are driven by commercial interests that seems an unlikely outcome.

Because they can. There's no real commercial motivation for these HN bots either.
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