In a way, doesn't AI violate non-commercial open source licenses because it takes the code and then profits from it but in a way that is so opaque that nobody can prove it?
John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists
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#432everyone with a paid house and a fat 401K is pretty chill with AI, and giving gifts and being all so generous meanwhile, in the trenches, rent and bills are approaching 2/3 of paycheck and food the other 2/3, while at the same time the value of our knowledge and experience are going down to zero (in the eyes of the managerial class) 'ai training magnifies the gift' ... sure thing ai training magnifies a lot of things
Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. (c) Scam Altman
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#433There's one elephant in the room that's not being addressed: Training an AI on GPL code and then having it generate equivalent code that is released under a closed source license seems like a good way to destroy the copy-left FOSS ecosystem.
This is what it was before AI, and it remains so today.
AI reproducing code without holding rights to it are a failure case that should be eliminated,
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#434So, big tech takes the "gift" of passionate developers and: 1. Use them to threaten their jobs (and so many other jobs like lawyers, artists, tech writers...). 2. Hoard hardware, causing prices to raise to absurd levels and effectively making it harder for passionate developers to tinker at home. 3. Set up circular deals between themselves to raise stock prices, creating a bubble that will make 2008 seem like a joke.…
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
No please, for the love of god, he's been an asshole for decades. He has set back gaming everywhere he's been in charge. The guy makes 1 kind of experience. He's the opposite of a good leader.
Elaborate on your points How has he set back gaming? 1 kind of experience?
The "one kind of experience" is probably referring to Carmack's comparing story in a video game to story in an adult movie.
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#436> My million+ open source LOC were always intended as a gift to the world. Says yet another person who's hilariously rich, financially invested in the success of AI and isn't materially affected by AI displacing them.
id Software released the source code to Wolfenstein in 1995, he was only rich at that point on merit and the success of their games. Bethesda ended that practice.
No one can argue that John is an exceptional programmer and human being, but millions of developers aren't Carmacks – they're shmucks trying to survive under increasing pressure of corporate boot squeezing ever more. They're the ones being threatened by AI, not wealthy John for whom it's all games now.
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#438TL;DR: I really wanted to use a more permissive license so I don't mind AI scraping my code. Fine for him, but it's totally reasonable for people to want to use the GPL and not have it sneakily bypassed using AI.
This is exactly it. The people who release stuff under the GPL do so precisely because they want the software and derivatives to stay free. The software has strings attached; the AI removes them. What's so hard to understand here? Carmack's argument makes no sense, but I guess it has "Carmack" in it so obviously it must be on the front page of HN.
Fanaticism is hell of a drug.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed: the opportunity to be taken to a rocky dirt road through swamp grounds on the outskirts of a small town in Greece is something I'd never get if not for Google Maps :) (and many similar stories) I only use Google Maps for their live traffic info, which they so nicely collect out of majority of Android users driving around. I'd love it if OSM apps could leverage that information for navigation too.
I'm guessing that happened 8 years ago and you're still mad at it. I also have an experience where their map data was sightly wrong and I got into an argument with my mother.
I am not holding a grudge at all: any map data is going to be out of date due to things happening live. Keeping it up to date in the entire world is a hard problem.
But they are not a panacea, and I frequently nudge it to better routes instead of the ones it recommends (I only watch out for live updates from them like a crash or new roadworks somewhere).
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#440It shields him from the need to truly hustle.. and the world really needs his hustle right now.