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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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post #386

The rule has been around for years, but only in case law, i.e. moderation comments ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). What's new is that we promoted it to the guidelines. Fortunately I found some things we could cut as well, so https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html actually got shorter. --- Edit: here are the bits I cut: Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pic…

I suppose I should put my comment here instead of at top level.

Exactly when was this point added? It seems somehow not new, but on the other hand it was missing from an archive.today snapshot I found from last July. (I cannot get archive.org to give me anything useful here.)

Edit:

> Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it.

> If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.

Perhaps these points (and the thing about trivial annoyances, etc.) should be rolled up into a general "please don't post meta commentary outside of explicit site meta discussion"?

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#433

Humans already revise and refine their thinking. Tools just compress that process and help filter signal from noise. The meaning still originates with the person.

This is assuming that an extreme majority of people use the tools this way.

Consider a much more cynical view where people are strictly self-interested and use these tools to garner engagement and self-promotion. Good chance the meaning did not originate from the person. And now these people have tools to outsource their parasitic intentions.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#436
post #429

I'm here to read what actual humans think. If I wanted to read what an LLM thinks, I could just ask it. But here's where it gets tricky: Do I prefer low-effort, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, as long as it is human? Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? Am I here to read authentic humans because I value authenticity for its own sake (like preferring Champagne instead of…

By this logic, you might consider vibe coding a browser plugin that takes any HN comment less than 50 words and auto-expands it into an “insightful, well thought-out response.”

Length is not insight. I understand this to be a community oriented towards people who are not impressed by such superficial things.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#437

If a comment is useful I don't really care if it was written by a human or not unless the speaker somehow matters more than the content.

Now define useful, specifically in the context of a comment on hackernews.

An LLM summarizing the contents of a blog post might be useful to you, but is a comment here the right place for something you could geneate on your own?

I would guess for most people here, real insight or opinions from others is the "useful" aspect of reading hackernews comments.

Using LLMs to generate or refine comments only moves things further away from that goal (in my opinion).

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#438
Welcome change, there is enough AI slop on the internet already.

I come here for thoughtful discussion, a break from the relentless growing proportion of ai slop emails I get from people clearly vibe working.

Not edits for tone or clarity, 400+ word emails full of LLM BS they clearly haven’t checked or even understood what they have sent. Annoyingly this vibe slop is currently seen as a good KPI.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#439

I feel a little bit of irony in this post of a company/forum that is asking its users to not use AI while simultaneously trying to fund countless companies that are responsible for ruining the internet as we speak.

We aren't asking people to not use AI. (We use it ourselves.) What we're asking is not to post AI-generated comments to Hacker News. (We don't do that ourselves.)

By all means make good use of LLMs and other AI. What counts as good use? The world is figuring that out, it will take years, and HN is no exception (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). We just don't want it to interfere with the human conversation and connection that this site has always been for.

For example, it has always been a bad idea and against HN's rules when users post things that they didn't write themselves, or do bulk copy-pasting into the threads, or write bots to post things.

As I mentioned, the HN mods (who are also the HN devs) use AI extensively and will be doing so a lot more. The limits on that are not technical; they have to do with (1) how much work we still do manually—the classic "no time to do things that would make the things that take all our time take less of it"; and (2) the amount of psychic rewiring that's required—there's a limit to the RoA (rate of astonishment) that any human can absorb. (It's fascinating how technical people are suffering the most from that this time. Less technical people have longer experience being hit by disorienting changes, so for them the current moment is somewhat less skull-cracking.)

Getting this right doesn't mean replacing human-to-human interaction, it means we should have more time for that, and do a better job of supporting HN users generally, as well as YC founders who want to launch on HN, and so on. The goal is to enhance human relatedness, not diminish it.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#440
I've written tens of thousands of lines of code, autogenerated documentation with LLMs and use AI Agents daily.

But when I argue on the internet, it's always a 100% me.

And if I get a wiff of LLM-speak from whoever I'm wrestling in the mud with at the moment, they'll instantly get an entry in my plonk-file. I can talk with ChatGPT on my own thank you very much, I don't need a human in between.

"But my is bad... that's why I use LLMs"

So was mine when I started arguing with strangers on the internet. It's better now. Now I can argue in 3 different languages, almost 4 =)

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