Live data from Hacker News

Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

nytimes.com

431–440 of 631 posts

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of people would be cheering on the destruction of the cartels.

They'd probably quickly stop cheering as their own homes and families were destroyed as collateral damage, which is what would happen if the "full force of the US military" were deployed against the cartels.

The last time America invaded Mexico City it created martyrs. It's a fascinating story that they do not teach at US highschools lol.

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#432

As someone else mentioned, there’s some speculation in aviation subreddits that the bounds of the altitude restriction map to the MANPAD capabilities that some cartels are purported to have. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1r1s4zt/comment/o... My read is that the admin is planning forceful strikes on the cartels within Mexico and is worried about their ability to retaliate by taking down US aircraft across…

Knowing the restriction goes to 18k certainly says that either S-A or A-S reach must be limited but the as your post points out no buffer between MANPAD actual range and the limit imposed. I think unlikely to say MANPAD, specifically. There's a small private airfield to the west with only a single victor airway connecting to el-paso. the victors end at 17999 ft, effectively cutting traffic for non-commercial or non-b…

I only know about Las Cruces from the Organ Mountain Outfitters training material in the DaVinci Resolve sample footage. Sadly they closed a few months ago, which is a shame because I never got my arse in gear to order a shirt from them.

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>. "The FAA and DOW acted swiftly to address a cartel drone incursion. The threat has been neutralized, and there is no danger to commercial travel in the region. The restrictions have been lifted and normal flights are resuming." https://x.com/SecDuffy

Doesn't really pass the sniff test. Why would you need a 10 day closure to deal with a drone incursion? I'm guessing DoD and the FAA were squabbling over a test the military wanted to run, and it didn't go up the chain fast enough to get resolved before testing was scheduled to begin. Edit: Here's the actual notice from the FAA[1]. Note that it was issued at 0332 UTC, but the restrictions weren't scheduled to go into…

[deleted]

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#435
post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't really pass the sniff test. Why would you need a 10 day closure to deal with a drone incursion? I'm guessing DoD and the FAA were squabbling over a test the military wanted to run, and it didn't go up the chain fast enough to get resolved before testing was scheduled to begin. Edit: Here's the actual notice from the FAA[1]. Note that it was issued at 0332 UTC, but the restrictions weren't scheduled to go into…

Charitably guessing that if they don't know how long they'll need to keep airspace closed then you give yourself plenty of time and rescind early if necessary, as opposed to continually issuing extensions which could cause confusion.

Or you say “until further notice”.

Indeterminate end dates are not a new problem.

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#436
post #375
post #200

> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

Looks like they shot the drone down with a laser: > UPDATE (CNN): Source briefed by FAA tells me that military activity behind the El Paso flight ban included unmanned aircraft operations and laser countermeasure testing in airspace directly adjacent to civilian routes into El Paso International. Airspace restriction just lifted. https://x.com/petemuntean/status/2021586247827828812

Good thing they allocated 10 days of airspace shutdown for taking out a single (edit: or a few) drone(s).

I get the feeling this was a case of really wanting to test a new weapon combined with general organizational dysfunction for something unusual like this.

On CNN, they talked about how a shutdown like this would be the first time something like this has happened since 9/11. Is that really correct?

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#437
post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charitably guessing that if they don't know how long they'll need to keep airspace closed then you give yourself plenty of time and rescind early if necessary, as opposed to continually issuing extensions which could cause confusion.

Or you say “until further notice”. Indeterminate end dates are not a new problem.

FAA restrictions aren’t applied in a hand wavy fashion.

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't think that's the whole story. They're likely going to act against the cartels to take out cross-border drone capabilities and are preparing for S-A retaliation as well.

What does that even mean? Cartels can buy those DJI drones from China by the container load. Russia and Ukraine can't stop drones. Does the US have a secret weapon?

> Russia and Ukraine can't stop drones. Does the US have a secret weapon?

That does actually seem to be what they are saying now, yes.

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably lost a nuke in the area. Wouldn't be the first time.

Honest question: do you mean it was stolen or it fell out of the plane by accident or something like that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accid...

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

#440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is OpSec 101. Making the public closure too "tight" around the operational timeline could (negligently) leak operational details. You can always cancel a closure later.

Is saying "indefinitely" or "until further notice" any worse than "10 days?" The specificity of the timeline was what caught my eye.

Indefinitely infers permanence. You’ll scare everyone off with that language.
Post reply on HN