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IRC is the only alternative that runs on random potatos and survives lawfare.
IRC can do voice, screen sharing etc.?
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Don't get me wrong, I have been hearing about XMPP forever, and I would love to have an opportunity to try it. Unfortunately it hasn't happened. I have been forced to use Slack, Discord, I have had opportunities to try Matrix, Zulip, of course I have been using IRC for a long time. But XMPP? I may have installed an app, but I haven't had an opportunity to actually use it. Is there a list of communities there? Then ab…
XMPP has had less allure as "the new thing" since it's been around for a very long time. It was _the_ chat protocol in the 2000s when it started, and all chat apps used it (when AOL Instant Messenger, Trilian, Purple, Yahoo, ICQ, etc all interoperated). Vendor lock in started taking off not long after though, so Facebook Messenger (also originally XMPP) stopped interoperating and went fully closed along with a number…
Sorry to remind you, but this never happened. AIM and ICQ eventually interoperate because they were owned by the same company at that point. There was never XMPP federation in the mix here.
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> Yes it's a bunch of XEPs, but there are standardized "sets" apparently If the answer to "it's confusing" is "there are apparently standardised sets", it sounds like it is, indeed, confusing :-).
I don't disagree, but whether you're even aware of the XEPs and how it's presented to the user, is a critical factor in viewing it as "confusing". Gaim for example only even tells you about XEPs if you dig into the server settings, and then it shows a very good job of listing all XEPs from either the server or client and noting which are supported by each in a table if you're far enough down the rabbithole that this…
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The problem with XMPP is that it's a suite of RFCs. It's like describing DNS, which is a conglomerate of RFCs so complex that it's unlikely to be implemented correctly and completely. XMPP is a design fail in that regard, because if you have to tell your chat contacts to download a different client that fulfills OMEMO or XEP-whatever specs, then yeah, ain't gonna happen for most people. (I am still a proponent of XMP…
This is what I mean by "it needs a good client". It needs a single implementation that works consistently across platforms and has the features and UX people care about. The groundwork is there, and is better than Matrix. It's a matter of writing software to implement the useful subset of the specs.
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I understand what you are trying to see but this is the price of freedom. Freedom of having multiple clients. But Ignorance is also bliss and I recommend you (or many people) as such to be ignorant if it feels frictional to them and just use cinny. "Just use cinny" It really can't get any simpler than that for most purposes in my opinion cinny is really improving in adding features plus its open source and I do feel…
How should a new user know they should use cinny?
So in a way, the answer's sort of because "I am saying so" but as with all things the answer's subjective but I hope that you can try matrix and enjoy the clients that you wish.
I would recommend you to "Just use cinny", Just try it once and have fun :D See what you like the most and then recommend it then instead to your friends/community.
I am gonna say, Just use cinny but you can say just use fractal and both could be valid and the beauty of the protocol in this sense is the fact that we can all still talk to each other :)
Cinny really fixes the UI/UX problem in my personal experience, even better than discord.
And y'know technically this problem still persists with other messaging protocols like how should a new user know they should use X client and the limitations of X client (UI/UX). Matrix as such meets half way through and cinny can then streamline the experience.
You or anyone using matrix doesn't have to know so much.
The only thing one has to know is "Just use cinny" (in my honest opinion) and everything else is actually really simple.
And I feel like new users like any new users of any tech (discord was once new too) knows simply because the time is convenient/somewhat mouth of word.
I feel like people should convince others to meet on cinny (matrix) because then we can have network effects which is actually a really big issue in my opinion.
So the answer's mouth of word. I hope you can spread the word and hope that you can try cinny. It's seriously that good and I am doing my best spreading the mouth of word.
Have a nice day :D
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They have >200 million DAUs and guesses say they have >10K servers with >10K users. Assumptions from a tech crowd who were used to IRC should be taken with a grain of salt. Now if we're just looking for alternatives for ourselves, cool. But I think the reality is that most normal users do fully lean into the social aspects of Discord. A server like Marvel Rivals has literally millions of users. Players join that disc…
> A server like Marvel Rivals has literally millions of users. Players join that discord to socialize with all of those players and build a community around the game. Going back to something you said earlier: > Rocket chat is a Slack alternative for people wanting to host a server for a community. It's not a platform, you need to register and login to each server manually. So the primary thing is that there is no SSO…
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Discord's technical moat is not that large. They've done well, but it's not the same as something like Google or Microsoft or valve.
Having read their tech blogs about both the local video capture tech and their infrastructure optimizations, I disagree.
The moat there is staggeringly large comparatively.
As someone who has been on Discord since the beginning, runs Discord communities and writes Discord bots, here's my list of three things that I believe would make a viable Discord competitor: - Free without requiring self-hosting; - Absolutely frictionless community access - here's an invite link, you can start chatting immediately; - High quality voice calls with screen sharing. I don't think there is a competitor t…
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Having read their tech blogs about both the local video capture tech and their infrastructure optimizations, I disagree.
You think discord is the same order of magnitude as a Microsoft or Google? Both of whom own major operating systems, browsers, ad platforms, office and workspace suites, app stores, cloud providers, search engines, maps products, developer tools suites, robotics, research laboratories, AI products, meeting and chat infrastructure, email products and any a million other things? The moat there is staggeringly large com…
> Anyway this thing [Revolt/Stoat] is so far from being ready for prime time, I only include it here to call out the project. I wish them the best and hope for good things, especially since you can self-host the server. But a lack of stability and features prevent this from being useful for anything beyond experimentation. Maybe someday. Curious what prompted this verdict. My only experience with Revolt/Stoat has bee…