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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Findecanor »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #198
verdverm wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

420 is a stoner number, stoners lol a lot, thought of Elmo's failed joint smoking on JRE before I stopped watching ...but then other commenters reminded me there is another thing on the same date, which might have been more the actual troll at Elmo to get him all worked up

Well yes, if France24 was using "20 April 2026" as we write here, there would be no misunderstanding. I believe people are looking too much into 20 April → 4/20 → 420

I believe the French format the date 20/4 ... and the time 16 h 20

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by stubish »

wmf wrote: post #317
mschuster91 wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How was that move legal anyway? Like... a lot of people and governments gave Musk money to develop, build and launch rockets. And now he's using it to bail out his failing social media network and CSAM peddling AI service.

Once he launched the rockets he can do whatever he wants with the profit. And he wants to train Grok.

Money comes with strings, such as when forming an ongoing relationship with a company you expect them to not merge with other companies you are actively prosecuting. I suspect the deal is going so fast to avoid some sort of veto being prepared. Once SpaceX and xAI are officially the same, you lose the ability to inflict meaningful penalties on xAI without penalizing yourself as an active business partner with SpaceX.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by derrida »

direwolf20 wrote: post #375
derrida wrote: post #10

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I wouldn't equate the two. There's someone who was being held responsible for what was in encrypted chats. Then there's someone who published depictions of sexual abuse and minors. Worlds apart.

Telegram isn't encrypted. For all the marketing about security, it has none, apart from TLS, and an optional "secret chat" feature that you have to explicitly select, only works with 2 participants and doesn't work very well. They can read all messages, so they don't have an excuse for not helping in a criminal case. Their platform had a reputation of being safe for crime, which is because they just... ignored the po…

ok thank you! I did not know that, I'm ashamed to admit! sort of like studying physics at university a decade later forgetting V=IR when I actually needed it for some solar install. I took "technical hiatus" about 5 years and recently coming back.

Anyway cut to the chase, I just checked out Mathew Greens post on the subject, he is on my list of default "trust what he says about cryptography" along with some others like djb, nadia henninger etc

Embarrased to say I did not realise, I should of known! 10+ years ago I used to lurk the IRC dev chans of every relevant cypherpunk project, including of text secure and otr-chat when I saw signal being made and before that was witnessing chats with devs and ian goldberg and stuff, I just assumed Telegram was multiparty OTR,

OOPS!

Long winded post because that is embarrassing (as someone who studied cryptography undergrad in 2009 mathematics, 2010 did postgrad wargames and computer security course and worse - whose word once about 2012-2013 was taken on these matters by activists, journalists, researchers with pretty knarly threat model - like for instance - some guardian stories and former researcher into torture - i'm also the person that wrote the bits of 'how to hold a crypto party' that made it a protocol without an organisation and made clear the threat model was anyone could be there, oops oops oops

Yes thanks for letting me know I hang my head in shame for missing that one or some how believing that one without much investigation, thankfully it was just my own personal use to contact like friend in the states where they aren't already on signal etc.

EVERYONE: DON'T TRUST TELEGRAM AS END TO END ENCRYPTED CHAT https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2024/08/25/telegram...

Anyway as they say "use it or lose it" yeah my assumptions here no longer valid or considered to have educated opinion if I got something that basic wrong.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by stubish »

justaboutanyone wrote: post #405

This sort of thing will be great for the SpaceX IPO :/

Especially if contracts with SpaceX start being torn up because the various ongoing investigations and prosecutions of xAI are now ongoing investigations and prosecutions of SpaceX. And next new lawsuits for creating this conflict of interest by merger.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ricudis »

hiprob wrote: post #308
niemandhier wrote: post #227

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Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

It's legal to just put kids in foster care for no reason but to ruin someone's life?

I heard there's a country where they can even SWAT you out of existence with a simple phone call, but it sounds so outrageous this must be some evil communist dictatorship third-world place. I really don't remember.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ricudis »

gruez wrote: post #326
knallfrosch wrote: post #318

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fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. Again: the threat is so clear that you rarely have to execute on it.

>fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. That's not a credible threat because there's approximately 0% chance France would actually follow through with it. Not even Trump would resort to murder to get rid of his domestic adversaries. As we seen the fed, the best he could muster are some spurious prosecutions. France murdering someone would put them on par with Russia or In…

> Not even Trump would resort to murder to get rid of his domestic adversaries

Don't give them ideas

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by nailer »

nemomarx wrote: post #416
darepublic wrote: post #414

I remember encountering questionable hentai material (by accident) back in the Twitter days. But back then twitter was a leftist darling

I think there's a difference between "user uploaded material isn't properly moderated" and "the sites own chatbot generates porn on request based on images of women who didn't agree to it", no?

But it doesn’t. Group has always had Aggressive filters on sexual content just like every other generative AI tool.

People who have found exploits, just like other generative AI tool.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by bawolff »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

> and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

Siezing records is usually a major step in an investigation. Its how you get evidence.

Sure it could just be harrasment, but this is also how normal police work looks. France has a reasonable judicial system so absent of other evidence i'm inclined to believe this was legit.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by bawolff »

ffsm8 wrote: post #203
chrisjj wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are mistaken. Item #1 is "images of children of a pornographic nature". Wheras "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." https://rainn.org/get-informed/get-the-facts-about-sexual-vi...

You're wrong - at least from the perspective of the commons. First paragraph on Wikipedia > Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn,[1][2][3] is erotic material that involves or depicts persons under the designated age of majority. The precise characteristics of what constitutes child pornography vary by criminal jurisdiction.[4][5] Hones…

I think the idea is that normal porn can be consensual. Material involving children never can be.

Perhaps similar to how we have a word for murder that is different from "killing" even though murder always involves killing.

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