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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by bigfishrunning »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #386
bigfishrunning wrote: post #352

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So eventually, doesn't the KPI move from "more code" to "better code"? The pendulum will have to swing the other way eventually; seems like microsoft is just accelerating that process

> doesn't the KPI move from "more code" to "better code"? I would love for this to be true. But another scenario that could play out is that this process accelerates software bloat that was already happening with human coded software. Notepad will be a 300GB executable in 2035.

> Notepad will be a 300GB executable in 2035.

And this will cause what I'm talking about -- When nobody can afford memory because it's all going into the ocean-boiling datacenters, all of a sudden someone selling a program that fits into RAM will have a very attractive product

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by rustyhancock »

zamadatix wrote: post #419
tylerchilds wrote: post #122

This is funny because everyone’s AI strategy should have been “What do we actually need to be productive?” Which is how Anthropic pulled ahead of Microsoft, that prioritized checks notes Taking screenshots of every windows user’s desktop every few seconds. For productivity.

Recall is great for bashing but relatively inconsequential to anything Microsoft has been doing in this space outside that.

Although it seems in Europe we might all end up with recall style screenshots and scanning of what we're looking at.

Part of me wonders if Microsoft knew it would appeal to governments.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/uk-to-encourage-...

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by canucker2016 »

adventured wrote: post #267
ksec wrote: post #243

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Exactly. In the 50 years history of Microsoft, Office ( Year ) was perhaps the best they did. Nadella might have fixed a few things, but Microsoft still have massive room for improvement in many areas.

Nadella has the golden ship taking on water right now. He has entirely botched AI top to bottom. He has screwed that up to such a degree that it would be difficult to overstate. If he doesn't correct these mistakes extremely soon, he'll unravel much of the progress he made for Microsoft and they'll miss this generation of advancement (which will be the end of their $3 trillion market cap - as the market has recently…

Excel is the lynchpin. But you need to have a story for handling the other Office apps functionality. That's table stakes these days.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by snovv_crash »

smoe wrote: post #26
onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

It is kind of funny that throughout my career, there has always been pretty much a consensus that lines of code are a bad metric, but now with all the AI hype, suddenly everybody is again like “Look at all the lines of code it writes!!” I use LLMs all day every day, but measuring someone or something by the number of lines of code produced is still incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

I wonder if we can use the compression ratio that an LLM-driven compressor could generate to figure out how much entropy is actually in the system and how much is just boilerplate.

Of course then someone is just going to pregenerate a random number lookup table and get a few gigs of 'value' from pure garbage...

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by CubityFirst »

Sharlin wrote: post #396
coffeebeqn wrote: post #385

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Oh no I just realized the next generation will be called Microsoft 365 Xbox Copilot

There will be an integrated voice LLM that hallucinates advice and "useful" tips as you play and cannot be turned off

You jest.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/gaming-copilot

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by perryh2 »

eulers_secret wrote: post #321
mirekrusin wrote: post #186

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...it gets better: GitHub Copilot is a service, you can buy subscription from here https://github.com/features/copilot . GitHub Copilot is available from website https://github.com/copilot together with services like Spark (not available from other places), Spaces, Agents etc. GitHub Copilot is VSCode extension which you can download at https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=GitHub.c... and use from VSCo…

Since we're talking about GitHub Copilot I'll lodge my biggest complaint about it here! The context window is stuck at 128k for all models (except maybe Codex): https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/264153 and https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/5993 This absolutely sucks, especially since tool calling uses tokens really really fast sometimes. Feels like a not-so-gentle nudge to using their 'official' t…

This is the first time I've read about this. Thank you. I never noticed because OpenCode just shows you the context window usage as a %.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by canucker2016 »

pixl97 wrote: post #236
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #229

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That's a "business" model, not a language model, which I believe is what the poster is referring to. In any case though, MS does have a number of models, most notably Phi. I don't think anyone is using them for significant work though.

It's a word play, if their LLM model sucks too much they'll get someone else's. I mean they fought the browser war for years, then just used Chrome.

Well, they fought hard until IE6.

Then they took their eyes off the ball - whether it was protecting the Windows fort (why create an app that has all the functionality of an OS that you give away for free - mostly on Windows, some Mac versions, but no Linux support) when people are paying for Windows OR they just diverted the IE devs to some other "hot" product, browser progress stagnated, even with XMLHttpRequest.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by hbn »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool.

It's also an LLM chat UI, I don't know if it's because of my work but it lets me select models from all of the major players (GPT, Claude, Gemini)

https://github.com/copilot

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by pezezin »

hightrix wrote: post #337
marssaxman wrote: post #294

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> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

To further your argument, look at the XBOX. It is impossible to tell which is the latest model by name alone. Where the playstation is simple, the latest is the 5, the previous was the 4, and the one before that was the 3.

To be fair, only Sony follows a consistent naming convention. Nintendo's console names also defy any logic, as did Sega back in the day.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by butlike »

HPsquared wrote: post #274
pixl97 wrote: post #134

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>Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions Microsoft cannot and will not ever get better at naming things. It is said the universe will split open and and eldritch beast will consume the stars the day Microsoft stops using inconsistent and overlapping names for different and conflicting products. Isn't that right .Net/dotnet

"Microsoft Re-Designs the iPod Packaging" (2006) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k

That was deeply funny. I can almost smell the inside of CompUSA watching that.
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