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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tomhow »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #381
tptacek wrote: post #358

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What makes you think he isn't? That's a rhetorical question; he and Tom obviously do intervene with those stories.

I've read his responses here and in other topics over 2025. He still seems to maintain that politics is something to avoid, regardless of quality. Not explicitly, but the way he talks about it gives that impression. Having a tepidness when it comes to the dozens of slop articles on some trivial Ai blogs contradicts this mission to encourage curiosity and encourage a quality discussion. It feels outright contradictory…

> I think seeing a Tesla earnings call flagged because it wasn't stellar earnings

This is a perfect example of imagining or assuming our (or the community's) motivations or allegiances then criticising us for what you imagine or assume.

Tesla is far more commonly criticised than praised on HN these days. The moderators have no allegiance or care for Tesla, its reputation or its stock price.

If a ”Tesla earnings call” story was flagged, it would be for the same reason that almost all earnings call or stock price stories are flagged on HN; they usually don't qualify as great topics for curious conversation.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by keernan »

dang wrote: post #214
zzleeper wrote: post #213

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The problem is that a relatively small group of people (flaggers) just veto what we see and don't see. This made sense when we relied on flagging to just remove spam, useless posts, etc. but its now being used to remove anything that goes against MAGA. I'm pretty sure that if you sqldump the list of flaggers of this and other posts (like the MN posts) you will find it's not a uniformly distributed list of users.

You've replied before I even had a chance to add a second sentence! Edit: admittedly it is taking longer than usual... I've answered that point many times, e.g. recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 . If you take a look at that and have a question that isn't answered there (or here), I'd be happy to take a crack at it. I haven't had a chance to look at the flaggers of these recent stories to ve…

>>When we see accounts doing that, we usually take away their flagging rights.

I have observed that any post that is negative about Musk gets flagged. Almost 100% of the time. In that regard, it has certainly occurred to me that someone with Musk's wealth would find it trivial to hire millions of people to monitor and attempt to influence his image on social media - and imo it would be quite surprising if he didn't have massive numbers of people whose full time job was to do precisely that.

In that regard, I find it obnoxious someone of his wealth should be entitled to such personal privileges on HN. I don't mean to imply HN is actively supporting that - just that I believe HN should be taking affirmative steps to prevent the removal of 100% of things that would annoy Musk from ever reaching the front page.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by dang »

keernan wrote: post #432
dang wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've replied before I even had a chance to add a second sentence! Edit: admittedly it is taking longer than usual... I've answered that point many times, e.g. recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 . If you take a look at that and have a question that isn't answered there (or here), I'd be happy to take a crack at it. I haven't had a chance to look at the flaggers of these recent stories to ve…

>>When we see accounts doing that, we usually take away their flagging rights. I have observed that any post that is negative about Musk gets flagged. Almost 100% of the time. In that regard, it has certainly occurred to me that someone with Musk's wealth would find it trivial to hire millions of people to monitor and attempt to influence his image on social media - and imo it would be quite surprising if he didn't h…

Any post that is positive about his muskness gets flagged as well, and even harder IIRC.

I hear you about privileges and I don't disagree, but we're mostly just trying to optimize for interesting discussions.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by keernan »

dang wrote: post #433
keernan wrote: post #432

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>>When we see accounts doing that, we usually take away their flagging rights. I have observed that any post that is negative about Musk gets flagged. Almost 100% of the time. In that regard, it has certainly occurred to me that someone with Musk's wealth would find it trivial to hire millions of people to monitor and attempt to influence his image on social media - and imo it would be quite surprising if he didn't h…

Any post that is positive about his muskness gets flagged as well, and even harder IIRC. I hear you about privileges and I don't disagree, but we're mostly just trying to optimize for interesting discussions.

>but we're mostly just trying to optimize for interesting discussions

Thanks for taking the time to respond - and I certainly agree with the above. It's what makes HN pretty unique.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by defrost »

EchoReflection wrote: post #435

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-nation/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/atlantic-media/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outrage_porn https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditForGrownups/comments/dvyd48/w... https://therapygroupdc.com/therapist-dc-blog/why-we-snap-und...

If you're unable to make an actual comment in your own words, then perhaps you might take your link regurgitation to an appropriate link aggregator site. Elsewhere.

I'm guessing the existence of two sites, both rated [HIGH] for factual accuracy, give you a sense of outrage when you read accurate facts?

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by array_key_first »

quercus wrote: post #125
array_key_first wrote: post #93

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They voted for something else, they were conned by populist messaging.

Immigration was a pretty big topic during the election. People knew what they were voting for. I find it sad that you find it hard to believe people have civic pride they want to defend.

Considering citizens have been executed by the state, I would say people did not know what they were voting for.

Unless, of course, you're insinuating they do actually want that. In which case, your outlook of Trump voters is significantly lower than mine. Call me generous.

Now, of course, a lot of people saw this coming and have been warning about growing authoritarianism from Trump and his administration. But his administration is also built almost entirely on lies, so I can't be too critical of people who are confused.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by throwerxyz »

suzdude wrote: post #430
throwerxyz wrote: post #388

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Let me check. Population of democracy vote for something. President of democracy enacts stronger power for that something. That something gets done. People who disagree with democratic powers doing what they said they were going to do want to stop it by force . That something now gets done, by force . --- Sounds justified because it is.

The same should apply to all the laws ICE 'agents' are breaking in their "enforcement". What, do you think they should not be punished, or should be immune from following the law? The laws passed by the representatives and president of the democracy you're so keen on? If you think they are following the law, you sound crazy, because you are.

What laws are they breaking?
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