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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kergonath »

writebetterc wrote: post #111
ninalanyon wrote: post #64

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The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. The C15 is a workhorse for farmers and craftsmen not for shopping trips and driving the family to visit granny on the other side of town.

> The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. Priority list should basically be: 0. Bicycles 1. Metro 2. Buses 3. EVs (not counting emergency and service vehicles)

> 0. Bicycles 1. Metro 2. Buses 3. EVs

-1. Feet

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

Aurornis wrote: post #309
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #220

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You do this by standardizing interconnection at both the physical and protocol levels, and leave everything else alone. Then you allow both to evolve at a reasonable rate (maybe 10 years for the physical interconnects, maybe less for protocol since back compat is much easier there). This leaves people free to tweak form factors, energy efficiency, system capacities etc. etc. We don't need to care about the final resu…

> Then you allow both to evolve at a reasonable rate (maybe 10 years Automakers already get 10-15 years or more out of their platforms. The same series of engines will be used across the their lineup for a very long time. Transmissions are shared across car makers, and so on. That’s not a problem. The request above was for all auto manufacturers to have to fit into a standardized format. It would be like telling Inte…

Despite 36+ years as a programmer at more or less every level of computing, I don't know that much about CPU sockets. However, my impression is that we'd not be particularly limited by a requirement that a given physical CPU socket design (size, pinouts, power supply) was used for 10 years. As a self-builder, and thus periodic (re)purchaser of motherboards and cpus, my sense is that the majority of the changes to CPU socket specs are gratuitous and unnecessary.

I could be wrong.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by vdupras »

alephnerd wrote: post #407
vdupras wrote: post #402

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> meme that the French Revolution was a quasi-communist revolution It's not a meme. There's clearly a collectivist movement within the revolution, it's just that this force failed to take power. The "révolution de Février", in 1848 was precisely this: Paris going full collectivist, abolishing property and all, then small land owner from the provinces freaking out and all come to Paris to whoop them.

> There's clearly a collectivist movement within the revolution, it's just that this force failed to take power And there was a much more powerful core of leaders who were the children of the various types of elites within the ancien regime. Almost the entire history of France the century after the revolution was authoritarian or quasi-authoritarian rule with the collaboration of intellectual, economic, and religious…

It's weird, I feel like we're arguing over saying the same thing. Sure, I agree, but please don't say it's a meme.

Sure, it didn't take power, sure, the bourgeois were stronger, but they still managed to overthrow the forces of Louis-Phillipe. Internet wasn't invented yet, memes couldn't depose kings.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by bubbasugga »

carlosjobim wrote: post #92

"This Mastodon server is a friendly and respectful discussion space for people working in areas related to EU policy." "The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing." Lovely people as always. Would you like to live neighbours with this person, or share communal facilities with him?

Their cynicism is cope. They are witnessing their own decline every single day. It's honestly so sad. On the other side of the globe there is Tesla [1]. Even if you don't like the idea of cars, this is the pinnacle of a utilitarian product. Also one of the most popular vehicles (globally) as opposed to the (incorrect) example used in the thread.

Modern cars are great for the most parts. More comfortable, more safe, more autonomous, bigger, better and faster. Of course not all cars are created equal.

Cars are a resilient mode of transport. Even if road maintenance stops for 30 years due to some kind of crisis, a society with cars will be way more functional than one that was solely reliant on a centralized transportation system. And this is not an unrealistic scenario, people are just used to the last 80 years of peace due to rapid economic growth and globalization.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ve_ttBEPw

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kergonath »

ornornor wrote: post #171
Fiveplus wrote: post #29

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That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

> Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in 3 years, the dashboard could be just a double DIN slot and a heavy-duty, universal tablet mount with a 100W USB-C PD port. The car provides the power and the speakers and my phone provides the maps and music. When the tech improves, you upgrade your phone, not your dashboard. Dacia does that. The base sandero comes with speakers and Bluetooth. T…

I am happy with Car Play as a decent middle ground. It’s nice to have a large screen, and everything is still done on the phone and not on a shite computer whose components were cost-cut to an inch of their lives.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by prmoustache »

klez wrote: post #393
prmoustache wrote: post #340

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Aren't the Fiat 500 and Panda the same car but with only a neo retro design on the former?

Nope This is the original 500 https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/images/c... This is the new 500 https://www.actualidadmotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/F... I'll ignore the 500X and 500L because, to me, they are completely different cars. This is the original Panda from the 80s https://www.hagerty.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/The-ori... This is the Panda from the early 2000s (the one I used t…

ok I am referring to the early 2000's design, I believe Fiat was using the same platform and engine and I doubt they would do differently now.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by 20after4 »

kelnos wrote: post #418
bee_rider wrote: post #412

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If you give the difference in weight as a percentage, it is sort of surprising that the percentage is higher for heavier vehicles, right? Or at least I don’t get it. I’d expect the EV to be a constant factor heavier, a total weight of combustion_vehicle*1.1 or something.

I wonder if it's sorta like the rocket equation. A heavier vehicle requires larger batteries to move the extra weight with a comparable range as a smaller vehicle, but the batteries are heavy too, so you need even more battery to move the heavier batteries.

It's exactly that. Battery = heavy, heavy vehicle = short range. I wonder if ICE vehicle weight is calculated with a full fuel tank? Gas / Diesel is also pretty heavy and large vehicles have large empty spaces to be filled with fuel.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Fischgericht »

constantcrying wrote: post #425
Fischgericht wrote: post #206

I can confirm all of the findings. My first car I got in Germany was a C15. I used it to transport server racks, but also had a mattress in the back and had my first sex on it. On muddy festivals where others cars got stuck, I was able to get out easily. Repairs were dirt cheap. It also had a tow bar, and was able to pull a 1.5 metric ton trailer to get equipment to a computer party. And I still was able to do 160 km…

>Best car I ever had. You were doing 160 in a death trap with minimal safety features, which was literally making the air unbreathable.

Citroën were the first to make diesel filters standard. And my C15 had the HDi engine with diesel filters. And unlike others, they did not cheat and were not part of the Diesel scandal.

Also, I survived.

And when it comes to security features, more important than not having side airbags would have been not to combine smoking weed and fellatio while doing 160.

I am not saying that any of this would be a good idea if keeping your life is a priority.

But even with maniacs like myself on the road, Germany has deaths from fatal car crashes of 3-4 per 100,000, while the US has 12-13.

But again, I am not a lawyer, not a doctor, and this is not health advise, just a true story of what I did 25 years ago that may or may not entertain readers.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by _3u10 »

wrigby wrote: post #119
_3u10 wrote: post #72

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But whatever you want Toyota has a 10k truck and a jimmy is 15k, if you need a car a vitz can be had for 12k

This comment shines a spotlight on my issues with the US auto market. None of these vehicles are sold in the US, for a variety of reasons - both economic and regulatory. I hate knowing that the vehicles I want to buy both exist and are affordable, but I just can’t have them. Meanwhile, the cars sold in my market are all egregiously enormous, have giant screens inside, etc. This is the very definition of a “first worl…

One of the many reasons I choose not to live in “the west”.
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