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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by vmg12 »

vmg12 wrote: post #354
danmaz74 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I compared OpenCode and Claude Code head to head a couple of months ago, Claude Code worked much better for me. I don't know if they closed the gap in the meantime, but for sure Claude Code has improved since then.

OpenCode launched a couple of months ago so that makes sense that it's worse. It's much better than Claude Code now. Somehow for the same model, opencode completes the same work faster than claude code and the ux is much better.

Meant to say "it was worse" not "it's worse"

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by ehnto »

rovr138 wrote: post #428
ehnto wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one said it was complicated, and you might be imagining that I care more than I do. However if you can't understand why having a feature of a paid product removed is dissatisfying, then I cannot help you understand any further. I am surprised that anyone would think the "product" is the web interface and cli tool though, the product is very clearly the model. The difference in all options is merely how you access…

> having a feature of a paid product removed is dissatisfying It wasn't a feature. It was a loophole. They closed it. There are multiple products. Besides models, there's a desktop app, there's claude code. They have subscriptions.

Feature, attribute, loophole. I really doubt we fundamentally disagree on the situation here. You can use your empathy to understand why people are disappointed, and I will pretend such a detail oriented thread has made me feel content. Anthropic can do what they want, it's their service.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by ForHackernews »

rovr138 wrote: post #419
ForHackernews wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Anthropic followed all the ToS of every website on the internet when scraping them for training data?

You justify a wrong thing by attacking something else? Is that the only argument?

I don't feel any need to behave respectfully toward people or institutions that clearly don't respect me.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by fragmede »

weikju wrote: post #288
touristtam wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But to make a "gauche" analogy, that would be like Microsoft not letting you browse their websites without using their browser (Edge).

Don’t give them any ideas!

ActiveX has entered the chat.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by sbarre »

mrbungie wrote: post #306
danmaz74 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) "Should have" for what reason? I would be happy if they open sourced Claude Code, but the reality is that Claude Code is what makes Anthropic so relevant in the programming more, much more than the Claude models themselves. Asking them to give it away for free to their competitors se…

Well OpenCode already exists and you can connect it to multiple providers, so you could just say that the agentic CLI harness business model as a service/billable feature is no more. In hindsight I would say it never made sense in the first place.

Branding and customer relationships matter as much or more than the "billable service" part of Claude Code.

It's not unheard of for companies that have strong customer mindshare to find themselves intermediated by competitors or other products to the point that they just became part of the infrastructure and eventually lose that mindshare.

I doubt Anthropic wants to become a swappable backend for the actual thing that developers reach for to do their work (the CLI tool).

Don't get me wrong, I think developers should 100% have the choice of tooling they want to use.

But from a business standpoint I think maintaining that direct or first-party connection to the developer is what Anthropic are trying to protect here.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by 0x500x79 »

wooger wrote: post #248
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

It's hard to understand what Anthropic are getting from forcing more people to use Claude Code vs any other tools via the API. Why do they care? Do they somehow get better analytics or do they dream that there's a magical lock-in effect... from a buggy CLI?

DAU/MAU for IPO.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by Ajedi32 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #348
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

What part of a TOS is ridiculous? Claude Code is obviously a loss leader to them, but developer momentum / market share is important to them and they consider it worth it. What part of “OpenCode broke the TOS of something well defined” makes you think it’s all Anthropic’s fault?

When you have a "loss leader" whose sole purpose is to build up market share (e.g. put competitors out of business) that's called predatory pricing.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by anamexis »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #437
stingraycharles wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of a TOS is ridiculous? Claude Code is obviously a loss leader to them, but developer momentum / market share is important to them and they consider it worth it. What part of “OpenCode broke the TOS of something well defined” makes you think it’s all Anthropic’s fault?

When you have a "loss leader" whose sole purpose is to build up market share (e.g. put competitors out of business) that's called predatory pricing.

Every loss leader's purpose is to build up market share.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by xtiansimon »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

Sorry, ClaudeCode is $200/mo? I’m not using it now, but was thinking about giving it a try. The website shows $200/year for Pro:

“$17 Per month with annual subscription discount ($200 billed up front). $20 if billed monthly.”

https://claude.com/pricing

What are you referring to that’s 10x that price? (Conversely, I’m wondering why Pro costs 1/10 the value of whatever you’re referring to?!?)

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by vadansky »

xtiansimon wrote: post #439
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

Sorry, ClaudeCode is $200/mo? I’m not using it now, but was thinking about giving it a try. The website shows $200/year for Pro: “$17 Per month with annual subscription discount ($200 billed up front). $20 if billed monthly.” https://claude.com/pricing What are you referring to that’s 10x that price? (Conversely, I’m wondering why Pro costs 1/10 the value of whatever you’re referring to?!?)

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