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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by palata »

codersfocus wrote: post #280
palata wrote: post #196

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> They are too big to fail but they aren’t too big to have to pay out a huge settlement. Facebook [...] I think it's pretty clear from history that they are too big to have to pay out a huge settlement. First, they never had to. There was never a "huge" settlement, nothing that actually did hurt. Second, the US don't do any kind of antitrust, and if a government outside the US tries to fine a US TooBigTech, the US wi…

Anthropic had to pay $1.5 billion recently so you're incorrect. I'm sure more of such cases will come up against big tech too.

It's obviously more profitable to pay the fine than to not do the illegal thing in the first place, so I am correct.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by frm88 »

silcoon wrote: post #283
Aurornis wrote: post #21

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> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. I wouldn’t be so sure. There are already tools to automatically locate and stream pirated TV and movie content automatic and on demand. They’re so common that I had non-t…

> The Anna’s archive group is ideologically motivated. Anna’s archive business is stealing copyrighted content and selling access to it. It's not ideologically motivated. What ideology is about pirating books and music where most of the people producing this stuff cannot afford to do it full-time? It's not like pirating movies, software and large videogame studios, which is still piracy, but they also make big money…

Writers and musicians are mostly broken. If we sum the rising cost of living, AI generated content and piracy, there's almost no reward left for their work.

For authors (books) ~70% of all the book sales go to the publisher, not the author (trad pub): https://reedsy.com/blog/how-much-do-authors-make/

For musicians: depending on how big a name you are and which publisher you chose, the publishers compensation ranges from 15% (small name/indy) to 60% (big name/Universal, Sony) https://www.careersinmusic.com/music-publishing/

This is an industry with profit maximising as its goal like every other industry. If artists are broke, first take a look at the publishers.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by grishka »

reassess_blind wrote: post #403
KomoD wrote: post #353

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Where the magic actually happens: https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot

I wonder how many premium accounts Anna’s Archive had to use to scrape the whole thing. Surely Spotify has scrape protection and wouldn’t allow a single account to stream (download) millions of separate tracks.

I haven't looked at the code but I would be surprised if the premium account "requirement" is anything more than an if statement that can be commented out.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by saubeidl »

vel0city wrote: post #328
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #265

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You have been able to buy DRM free digital music from all of the record labels since 2009 from Apple and other stores.

You've been able to buy DRM free digital music since the 1980s.

Technically not true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Copy_Management_System

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by KomoD »

reassess_blind wrote: post #403
KomoD wrote: post #353

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Where the magic actually happens: https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot

I wonder how many premium accounts Anna’s Archive had to use to scrape the whole thing. Surely Spotify has scrape protection and wouldn’t allow a single account to stream (download) millions of separate tracks.

I have a feeling they didn't use premium accounts since they downloaded at 160kbit/s, which is the highest quality that free accounts can get.

Premium gets 320kbit/s (or lossless)

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by zuspotirko »

crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible.

Are you aware Annas Archive already solved the exact same problem with books?

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by a022311 »

chrneu wrote: post #219
cj wrote: post #182

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Some quick Googling shows 1 million streams pays approx $2000. You'd need 40,000,000 streams to earn $80,000.

be aware that payout rates change based on tiers and a bunch of other factors. So, it would likely take more than 40 million streams to earn $80k. I believe Weird Al posted his streaming revenue a few years ago. He had something like 80 million streams and said he earned about $12. https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/weird-al-yankovic-wrappe... There is a reason people like T Swift and whatnot tour constantly, it's h…

The Pudding had a nice article explaining how streaming revenue is distributed: https://pudding.cool/2022/06/streaming/

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by lotsofpulp »

komali2 wrote: post #418
silcoon wrote: post #415

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I get your point but then let's not complains if creativity dies and things all look the same. Creative people don't have motivation to produce if they can't make a living out of it.

> Creative people don't have motivation to produce if they can't make a living out of it. I challenge you to ask 10 creative people in your life if they would stop doing whatever it is they do if they had a billion dollars.

The desire to create something does not seem like an immutable characteristic.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

VanTheBrand wrote: post #58
Etheryte wrote: post #28

To put this into perspective, What.CD [0] was widely considered to be the music library of Alexandria, unparalleled in both its high quality standard and it's depth. What had in the ballpark of a few million torrents when it got raided and shut down. Anna's rip of Spotify includes roughly 186 million unique records. Granted, the tail end is a mixed bag of bot music and whatnot, but the scale is staggering. [0] https:…

True but What.cd had a tremendous amount of notable music not available on Spotify though because it was also sourced from cds, bootlegs, vinyl, tape etc whereas Spotify only includes music explicitly licensed for streaming.

Which also means almost always limited to the latest, almost always crappy (or blind to the original ambiance) remaster! One of the main reasons why I don't bother with streaming, really.

(And because they lack much obscure stuff and I don't like being dependent on the Internet and a renter's whims for something as essential as music, I guess)

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by lukaslalinsky »

platevoltage wrote: post #211
SSLy wrote: post #98

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I mean, WCD has two healthy replacements, plus slsk

Soulseek has to be the best kept secret on the internet. Even people my age who grew up with things like Napster, Limewire, and even soulseek, don’t know that it still exists.

Yeah, I was looking for some rare album I had in the past, and was shocked to realize that Soulseek is still active.
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