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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by yurishimo »

cpursley wrote: post #150
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe will just end up doing whatever is cheapest. It's the same story as always. They'll say some stuff publicly but they'll quietly come back to American tech once they see the price tag difference. They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

Yep - just look at their oil/energy situation: they still buy it by the boatload from you know who, but just through 3rd parties.

But look at solar adoption across Europe since 2022. It’s going gang busters and now with sodium batteries coming online next year, cheap home energy storage is about to boom as well.

Europe doesn’t want to buy Russian gas, but there is also the very real political reality of what happens if your citizens freeze to death. I will be very surprised if any EU state is reliant on Russian gas by 2035.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

jimnotgym wrote: post #202
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #45

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>Britain made a mistake letting that go https://thebulletin.org/premium/2024-11/united-kingdom-nucle...

It is not clear what point you are trying to make?

That Britain has a nuclear deterrent.

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Post by grandchild »

TrickyRick wrote: post #75
esperent wrote: post #58

It seems every single comment in the thread is understanding "cloud" here to mean AWS vs Hetzner. But it's clear from the first paragraph of the article that what they actually mean is MS 365 Dynamics vs SAP. They primarily want a managed ERP + CRM solution, not servers.

SAP needs servers though, if they buy SAP hosted in AWS that kind of defeats the purpose.

SAP runs its own cloud/IaaS in addition to running its workloads on the hyperscalers. It's been doing that for years internally, and that SAP cloud is now being extended to be open for direct consumption by other companies:

https://learning.sap.com/learning-journeys/exploring-sap-con...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by cpursley »

yurishimo wrote: post #431
cpursley wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep - just look at their oil/energy situation: they still buy it by the boatload from you know who, but just through 3rd parties.

But look at solar adoption across Europe since 2022. It’s going gang busters and now with sodium batteries coming online next year, cheap home energy storage is about to boom as well. Europe doesn’t want to buy Russian gas, but there is also the very real political reality of what happens if your citizens freeze to death. I will be very surprised if any EU state is reliant on Russian gas by 2035.

That's positive news, but I'm talking about oil - which is still needed for modern industrial economies (plastics, diesel, etc).

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Post by sylware »

blincoln wrote: post #331
sylware wrote: post #186

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Doing such "customizations" (which are actually crypto 101) will break all attacks designed specifically for a crypto algo in mind. Even better if you lie on the crypto algorithm. Ofc, that must be encrypted on systems which "cannot connect" (and you can go overkill with EM protection with a very good faraday cage). If you are making such a technical pain for attackers, they will switch to social engineering anyway.

Algorithms like AES-GCM are standards because - when used according to best practices - there are no known practical attacks against them. If someone has an attack that would defeat the cryptographic protection in a particular piece of software, the software is likely doing one or more of the following: * Not using a modern, well-tested algorithm (e.g. using DES, a hokey custom XOR stream cipher, AES-ECB, etc.). * No…

Ofc, the code modifications and additional data are not public, neither they are online. And we are talking air gap transfer.

I repeat: the second you are online, you are cooked. Everything else is BS, probably somebody is trying to sell you something.

All you can do is to find compromise depending on the classification of the data.

And as I said, if you are making it too much hell for attackers, they will switch to social engineering.

Come on...

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Post by awestroke »

refulgentis wrote: post #418
awestroke wrote: post #318

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Manufacture goods from US companies? Do you mean "for"?

Honest q, 3rd party crashing in: does it make a difference? My assumption is not for parsing for understanding and grammatically, its fine, if significantly less common than the “for” construct.

I'm just trying to understand what point they are trying to make

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Post by quotz »

mopsi wrote: post #415
quotz wrote: post #414

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... says the Russian war propaganda. In the real world, NATO is a highly exclusive club, which is very reluctant to accept new members and extend its mutual defence clause to them. Ukraine and Georgia sought to join NATO after Russia had already begun violating their sovereign territory, but NATO allies caved to Russian pressure and denied membership to both Georgia and Ukraine. Russia then used this opportunity to i…

The colonialist argument you are debating is not adequate, you can say the same for the whole Western bloc. You can even say the same for NATO [1].

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/INTERAC...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by mopsi »

quotz wrote: post #438
mopsi wrote: post #415

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... says the Russian war propaganda. In the real world, NATO is a highly exclusive club, which is very reluctant to accept new members and extend its mutual defence clause to them. Ukraine and Georgia sought to join NATO after Russia had already begun violating their sovereign territory, but NATO allies caved to Russian pressure and denied membership to both Georgia and Ukraine. Russia then used this opportunity to i…

The colonialist argument you are debating is not adequate, you can say the same for the whole Western bloc. You can even say the same for NATO [1]. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/INTERAC...

Yes it is, and Russia is increasingly being recognized by scholars as such.

This is especially visible in the war against Ukraine, which is colonial in nature. Russia has invaded another country on imperialistic justifications ("reunification of Russian lands" etc), is using domestic minorities as cannon fodder to alter the ethnic composition of Russia in favor of Russians, is committing genocide against Ukrainians to destroy them as an ethnicity, and is resettling ethnic Russians into occupied territories to permanently alter Ukraine's ethnic composition.

The whole "NATO expansion" narrative is complete bullshit when the initiative to join NATO has come from Russia's neighbors, who want to gain the protection of its mutual defense clause in the hope that this would deter Russia from invading them.

Russia has been the aggressor in this part of the world for centuries, and the rest is a reaction to that. Russia is the sole reason why Northern and Eastern Europe have militaries at all; if it weren't for Russia, they could be disbanded overnight.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

mdhb wrote: post #424
andsoitis wrote: post #349

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> US says that Europe is their number one enemy. Pardon my French, but where do you get that nonsense from?

Without getting hung up on the exact phrase “number 1”. It’s very literally one of the biggest things in official US national security strategy right now and some leaks of the non-public version talk about explicit plans to try and destroy the EU. So semantics aside, the overall point stands on solid ground.

That whole thing is just incoherent. There's lots about forming a trading alliance against China, and then loads about destroying the EU. You can't have both of those at the same time.
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