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Post by willis936 »

everdrive wrote: post #9

This outcome was obvious. If you really let yourself rely on an LLM, it will steer you towards what its owners want; products and services provided by advertisers, the "right" social and moral values, etc. It will even "accidentally" steer you towards its own inflections and ways of thinking. This is one isn't overtly malicious, but is still insidious. Do these companies get to standardize thinking and speaking just…

Yes that is the entire business model. It's trust. The only issue is that people do not trust untrustworthy systems. It's rotten at the core. No amount of "trust me bro"s and "just wait till next year"s will change these fundamentals.

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Post by embedding-shape »

ipcress_file wrote: post #117

I love this. Now I'll be able to read student papers with ads in the middle. "Are you enjoying our exploration of state Shinto in late nineteenth century Japan? Visit Kyoto with Japan Airlines this summer! Use the code 'JAL26' for special savings!"

I know it's a joke, but the ads will surely be much more stealthy than that. Advertisers are gonna want to drive people to products and websites without it being clear it's actually an ad, like subtle ranking things differently, or trying to nudge users into some direction.

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Post by everdrive »

grishka wrote: post #381
sph wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brainwashing at a scale never seen before.

Do remember that using LLMs is a choice. And unlike, say, social media, by not using any AI at all, you aren't missing out on anything.

>Do remember that using LLMs is a choice.

Not if nearly every company I attempt to interact with has their way. As other commenters have said, smart phones used to be a choice as well. Now people look at you funny if you won't install an app or don't have a data plan.

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Post by ares623 »

fragmede wrote: post #383
cmckn wrote: post #374

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I think ChatGPT’s moat is mostly “it’s the first AI thing I used/heard about”. It’s not clear to me that’s enough to maintain their market share if OpenAI is the only one mixing in ads. It does seem to work elsewhere, though; consumers have brand loyalty to a fault, and often for the brand they started with.

The question is how many users have developed intimate personal relationships and have named their ChatGPT, and how many of them would bounce to a different provider if some line is crossed (of which advertising could be one)? Anecdata isn't data, but I know several individuals who have and thus are even more unlikely to churn than mere brand loyalty on the level of eg Coca-Cola.

I’m curious how that intimate relationship evolves once ads are in play.

Wait we don’t need to wonder. The chatgpt 5 rollout showed us exactly what happens when the intimate friend changes.

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Post by prymitive »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #256
afavour wrote: post #131

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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

I can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded. 2. Place the turkey in your GE Two in One Oven set to 350, cooking for 10 minutes a lbs. 3. While waiting for your Turkey to finish cooking, why not have an ice cold Coke Zero? Click here for nearby locations. 4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.

You’ll wish it was that and not “a word from our sponsor NordVPN” or scammy crypto investments

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Post by aurareturn »

landedgentry wrote: post #321
aurareturn wrote: post #232

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Would you say that Google admitted that not enough people will pay for Youtube premium to be a profitable business so they had to get into ads?

Youtube premium is not claiming AGI to justify a certain valuation.

I don’t think OpenAI has claimed they have AGI?

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Post by com2kid »

wiz21c wrote: post #340
afavour wrote: post #131

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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

> So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to introduce it without alienating customers. every single platform since the 1990's has introduced ads. My kids find it totally normal to have them. Believe me, if you train (!) people to accept ads, they will soon think it's normal. And besides, if ChatGPT goes with ads, Google will follow directly. So the users won't have the choice anymore. But ok, if I have to pay…

Counter point - my kid hates ads. I've worked to keep them away from him and whenever they do sneak through he gets irritated at them.

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Post by Verdex »

afavour wrote: post #131
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

> IMO pivoting to ads is a sign of core weakness for OpenAI.

Yeah, I've had the same thought for a while now. You don't sell investors on an endeavor for 10s of billions of dollars with the endgame being "sell ads". If that was the endgame then there are a lot less resource and capital intensive ways to get to it.

Given all of the discourse of "you need this new tech in your life to continue to participate in society", I would not have expected them to need to stand on the roadside trying to get people to buy low cost fireworks. It smacks of going through the sofa for loose change so you can make rent.

And if they had something impressive coming down the pipeline I would think they could get someone to spot them a few billions yet, unless the billionaire/megacorp economy is really that tapped out.

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Post by randyrand »

Verdex wrote: post #438
afavour wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

> IMO pivoting to ads is a sign of core weakness for OpenAI. Yeah, I've had the same thought for a while now. You don't sell investors on an endeavor for 10s of billions of dollars with the endgame being "sell ads". If that was the endgame then there are a lot less resource and capital intensive ways to get to it. Given all of the discourse of "you need this new tech in your life to continue to participate in society…

> You don't sell investors on an endeavor for 10s of billions of dollars with the endgame being "sell ads".

Google is a multi trillion dollar ads company. So is meta.

Don’t underestimate ads.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #422
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #344

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How many medium size migrations have you done? Its never that easy even if you are just hosting a bunch of VMs. Let alone if you are using any cloud specific services. I have been involved in a few on the periphery working in cloud consulting (first at AWS itself and now an outside company). I actively avoid the “lift and shifts”. I come in for the “modernize” portion. https://www.synatic.com/blog/lift-and-shift-vs-m…

Done? none, I wouldn't do it. Undone after it failed, one, and helped some other people in others. You are expecting people to act rationally in a way that will succeed. That's not how a lot of places out there operate.

I have been either part of or opted out of well over a dozen - I have a policy of never leading “lift and shifts” (and never staff augmentation).

Once you actually sit down and come up with a project plan with your PMO, a cloud migration is hardly ever worth the effort unless the destination cloud provider is backing up a shit ton of money for not only operational credits but also for internal AWS Professional Services (where I worked when I was inside AWS) or an outside partner to help (current employer).

Hell even certain departments at Amazon would never go through the effort of migrating to AWS from the legacy CDO infrastructure.

The risk of regressions, the refactoring, the retraining, the politics, etc are hardly ever worth it.

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