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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by Zetaphor »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #414
Zetaphor wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious solution would be to report the lowest number, as multiple replies to you have already proposed, but you again chose to ignore because it doesn't serve your agenda. This entire thread started with you claiming Apple was somehow trying to prevent issues by hiding these features, and you've twice tried to move the goalposts to irrelevant points when given evidence to the contrary. If you can't even defend y…

“the lowest number” would be completely useless. What would that tell me? Do I need to charge the case? So I need to put my left pod in the fully charged case? The right one?

The average between the two buds then, and rely on the LED for the case. This isn't that complicated guys, other earbud manufacturers somehow figured it out, I'm sure Apple can too.

Hyper-fixating on an issue with one part of the spec doesn't dismiss the larger problem being discussed. It's baffling (and kind of sad) how hard you guys feel the need to defend a trillion dollar company making obviously anti-consumer decisions.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Zetaphor wrote: post #431
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“the lowest number” would be completely useless. What would that tell me? Do I need to charge the case? So I need to put my left pod in the fully charged case? The right one?

The average between the two buds then, and rely on the LED for the case. This isn't that complicated guys, other earbud manufacturers somehow figured it out, I'm sure Apple can too. Hyper-fixating on an issue with one part of the spec doesn't dismiss the larger problem being discussed. It's baffling (and kind of sad) how hard you guys feel the need to defend a trillion dollar company making obviously anti-consumer de…

How does the “average” help? It still isn’t actionable. It doesn’t tell me whether I need to charge my case, put my left AirPod in a fully charged case or put the right AirPod in a fully charged case.

If you know the average of those three, what does it tell you?

What other manufacturers have figured out how to report three devices that represent to a Bluetooth host as one device in a standards conforming way that will work across multiple hosts?

It’s not that I am defending a trillion dollar company - the idea of averaging three completely different devices is non sensical and provides absolutely no benefit to the end user. If you want ti complain about anyone - complain about the standards body.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by jcalvinowens »

WheatMillington wrote: post #368
jcalvinowens wrote: post #265

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> Just take apple to small claims court. You can't do that, you certainly agreed to binding arbitration with apple at some point.

Very American-centric response. You cannot contract out of small claims court exposure in my country.

Go try to actually recover damages from apple and let me know how that goes for you :)

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by butlike »

angoragoats wrote: post #262
trollbridge wrote: post #252

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Or Apple just doesn't want to bother with the nightmare of supplying and supporting an app to do all those things on other platforms, and in particular, there are regulatory approvals around the "hearing aid" feature that would pretty much require a specific device. They have a basic app for some of their other devices like the Beats line. One other thing you simply can't do without pairing AirPods with an Apple devi…

You're responding in a sub-thread where others have specifically called out the fact that you can't get battery status from AirPods on non-Apple platforms. This is, to my knowledge, a feature that is supported natively by the Bluetooth stacks on every mainstream OS and requires no "apps" at all. For example, I can connect my Bluetooth mouse to my Linux machine and it happily reports the state of the battery. Care to…

Because what's the point in having 'fuck you' money if you never get to say 'fuck you?'

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by monocasa »

xethos wrote: post #395
monocasa wrote: post #332

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Their RCS implementation is so incredibly broken, and I can tell as an Android user. It seems like every other message gets downgraded to SMS.

That's because SMS is a horribly broken, hacky standard, and RCS has to inherit and deal with all the horrifying edge-cases of SMS, MMS, and legacy cruft going back prior to the turn of the millenium. Then it has to accomodate every other intersted party, many of which hate each other. Apple has always been a bit of an odd duck ("Think Different" has been internalized for some time), but Verizon actively hates OTT me…

The specific issue I'm talking about is how Apple for some reason ties the presence of RCS persistently to a contact that requires the user to manually go in and adjust, otherwise the conversation switches back and forth between SMS and RCS as each participant texts back and forth.

This is a problem no other vendors have, and is solely caused by Apple.

https://www.androidauthority.com/android-iphone-rcs-messagin...

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by NoGravitas »

PaulHoule wrote: post #370
bloppe wrote: post #307

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I mean ya, if they couldn't do that, then you couldn't even call it Bluetooth. I was asking about multi-device connectivity, which is a slightly more advanced feature that lots of other earbuds can do in a cross-platform way.

My experience is that high end headphones from v-Moda and Plantronics are better about multi-device use with Windows and iPhone than the Airpods are, with those I can just play on whatever device and the right thing happens almost always.

Doesn't even have to be high-end. My Anker Soundcore headphones seem to always do the right thing with multi-device.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by [deleted] »

sudosysgen wrote: post #398
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #275

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Most reviewers are already utterly unable to measure "normal" latency. In the very ridiculous chance you'll find a reviewer measuring wake up latency (which has little to do with the codec used), I wouldn't even trust it.

Yes, wake up latency is going to be a crapshoot, but you can eliminate it by playing a silent file at the expense of battery life. Actual latency though there's nothing you can do about it, so it's more important imo.

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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by eigencoder »

toyg wrote: post #221
monerozcash wrote: post #174

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>But do you think your oh-so-common USB-C cables will work with a new iPhone? They seem to work just fine, yeah.

"Seem". Until they don't. I've had multiple instances of Airpods stopping to connect with phones until I charged them at least once with original Apple cables. They might work fine for months, then stop ehaving unless connected through an all-Apple power pipeline (cable and charger). It's probably firmware updates requiring some sort of validation every now and then.

I think this is a problem with USB-C. The cables all look the same, but they don't actually always work for every device, at least in my experience.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by _fuchs »

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l wrote: post #415
thewebguyd wrote: post #339

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Only works with their own products is lock-in. Lock-out is Apple preventing third parties from making accessories that can match the first party ones in feature parity and seamlessness. Apple Watch only working with iPhones=lock-in No third party watch being allowed to use the same APIs the Apple Watch does or not being allowed to access iMessage, Apple Pay, etc = lock-out.

By locking their products "in", they're also locking third parties "out". How on earth would they be able to "lock-in" the Apple Watch to the iPhone while at the same time NOT "locking-out" third parties? It's the same thing.

I have a apartement i rent out for vacation

If i offer to bring you fresh breakfast in the morning but not offer the service to other apartments down the street -> „lock in“

If i do not allow you to get your breakfast (of equal quality)elsewhere -> „lock out“

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by Zetaphor »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #432
Zetaphor wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average between the two buds then, and rely on the LED for the case. This isn't that complicated guys, other earbud manufacturers somehow figured it out, I'm sure Apple can too. Hyper-fixating on an issue with one part of the spec doesn't dismiss the larger problem being discussed. It's baffling (and kind of sad) how hard you guys feel the need to defend a trillion dollar company making obviously anti-consumer de…

How does the “average” help? It still isn’t actionable. It doesn’t tell me whether I need to charge my case, put my left AirPod in a fully charged case or put the right AirPod in a fully charged case. If you know the average of those three, what does it tell you? What other manufacturers have figured out how to report three devices that represent to a Bluetooth host as one device in a standards conforming way that wi…

You, like the person this thread started with, are (deliberately?) missing the fire in the forest because you want to talk about the state of one tree. Yes, the standard should be improved to support multi-part devices, nobody here is arguing against that.

This entire thread started with someone trying to claim that Apple was not in the wrong by restricting these features, of which battery reporting is A SINGLE ONE.

No, I don't have a perfect solution for this one specific part of the problem, but that's also not been the my focus the entire time. Getting dragged into the weeds only serves to distract from the actually important point here, which is that what Apple is doing is anti-consumer.

Let's first agree that Apple should play on even ground with everyone else, and then we can whinge over how to correctly report the battery of three components over a single connection. Yeesh.

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