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> moved over to Google, where the real brains and resources are located at Brains yes, outcome? I doubt it. Have you used Gemini?
Yes, successfully many times?
It's not very good
Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'
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> Would investors happily invest into this knowing not to expect anything in return for at least the next 5-10 years? Oh, you mean like OpenAI, Anthropic, Gemini, and xAI? None of them are profitable.
That's a quite different thing, OpenAI has billions of USD/year cash flow, and when you have that there's many many potential way to achieve profitability on different time horizons. It's not a situation of chance but a situation of choice. Anyway, how much that matters for an investor is hard to form a clear answer to - investors are after all not directly looking for profitability as such, but for valuation growth.…
> That's a quite different thing, OpenAI has billions of USD/year cash flow, and when you have that there's many many potential way to achieve profitability on different time horizons. It's not a situation of chance but a situation of choice.
Talk is cheap. Until they're actually cash flow positive, I'll believe it when I see it
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If Claude Code is Anthropic’s main focus why are they not responding to some of the most commented issues on their GitHub? https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/3648 has people begging for feedback and saying they’re moving to OpenAI, has been open since July and there are similar issues with 100+ comments.
It's entirely possible they don't have the ability in house to resolve it. Based on the report this is a user interface issue. It could just be some strange setting they enabled somewhere. But it's also possible it's the result of some dependency 3 or 4 levels removed from their product. Even worse, it could be the result of interactions between multiple dependencies that are only apparent at runtime.
>It's entirely possible they don't have the ability in house to resolve it.
I've started breathing a little easier about the possibilty of AI taking all our software engineering jobs after using Anthropic's dev tools.
If the people making the models and tools that are supposed to take all our jobs can't even fix their own issues in a dependable and expedient manner, then we're probably going to be ok for a bit.
This isn't a slight against Anthropic, I love their products and use them extensively. It's more a recognition of the fact that the more difficult aspects of engineering are still quite difficult, and in a way LLMs just don't seem well suited for.
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In industry research, someone in a chief position like LeCun should know how to balance long-term research with short-term projects. However, for whatever reason, he consistently shows hostility toward LLMs and engineering projects, even though Llama and PyTorch are two of the most influential projects from Meta AI. His attitude doesn’t really match what is expected from a Chief position at a product company like Fac…
LeCun truly believes the future is in world models. He’s not alone. Good for him to now be in the position he’s always wanted and hopefully prove out what he constantly talks about.
He seems stuck in the GOFAI development philosophy where they just decide humans have something called a "world model" because they said so, and then decide that if they just develop some random thing and call it a "world model" it'll create intelligence because it has the same name as the thing they made up.
And of course it doesn't work. Humans don't have world models. There's no such thing as a world model!
Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'
#435What kind of stock should I buy to profit from LeCun's startup?
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#436"These models aim to replicate human reasoning and understanding of the physical world, a project LeCun has said could take a decade to mature." What an insane time horizon to define success. I suppose he easily can raise enough capital for that kind of runway.
10 years is nothing.
Are you some kind of timeless being? it's a meaningful fraction of a human life
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Zuck did this on purpose, humiliating LeCun so he would leave. Despite LeCun being proved wrong on LLMs capabilities such as reasoning, he remained extremely negative, not exactly inspiring leadership to the Meta Ai team, he had to go.
But LLMs still can't reason... in a reasonable sense. No matter how you look at it, it is still a statistical model that guesses next word, it doesn't think/reason per se.
It does not guess the next word, the sampler chooses subword tokens. Your explanation can't even explain why it generates coherent words.
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#438I think it was a plan by Mark to move LeCun out of Meta. And they cannot fire him without bad PR, so they got Wang to lead him. It was only a matter of time before LeCun moved out.
Isn't putting Wang as leading him a worse PR compared to just letting him go?
Anecdotally: No, I had no idea who he was reporting to so it sounds like a natural moving on storyline.
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That's been true for the last year or two, but it feels like we're at an inflection point. All of the announcements from OpenAI for the last couple of months have been product focused - Instant Checkout, AgentKit, etc. Anthropic seems 100% focused on Claude Code. We're not hearing as much about AGI/Superintelligence (thank goodness) as we were earlier this year, in fact the big labs aren't even talking much about the…
Meta hiring researchers en masse at $100m+ pay packages is fairly new, as of this summer. I don't know if that's indicative of the market as a whole though. Zuck just seems really gutted they fell behind with Llama 4.
This summer was a lifetime ago.