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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by rconti »

helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

I live in the Bay Area and went to my Nextdoor because I was thinking of seeing if there's much anti-Flock sentiment, and (not surprisingly for Nextdoor), most people seem to think anti-camera people are paranoid, or have something to hide, and wish they were installed in more places to solve the (non-existent) raging crime issues, or speeding, or god knows what.

I shouldn't have expected much more, though, to be fair. There's a reason I don't use nextdoor.

The funny thing is the people calling anti-Flock people "paranoid". Well, I don't believe in dash cams or ringing my house with surveillance cameras and peering at the footage all day and all night. I think _those_ are the paranoid ones. What happened to just living your life and not worrying about everything?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #415
Eisenstein wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they Democrats at that time, or not?

Yes, they were. They are republicans now. You arguing in bad faith here, because you very well know the democrats back then are the republicans now. The party of democrats back then is not the party of the democrats now. the democratic party represented the same people republicans represent today. You're trying to make an falsely link the democratic party today with the party in the 60's, you know that link is incorr…

> . You arguing in bad faith here,

I am arguing in bad faith for pointing out historical facts? What bizarro world are we in? Do we not care about facts any more?

> You're trying to make an falsely link the democratic party today with the party in the 60's

That you think I am trying to make the Democratic party look bad by saying this is your assumption.

Guess what, Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act which abolished Jim Crow and was a Democrat in the 60s.

This doesn't mean anything with regards to modern politics.

> I call this: intellectual fraud.

I call it US History.

By the way, I hope no one ever treats you even even a little bit like you are treating me.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by pseudalopex »

reactordev wrote: post #379
pseudalopex wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most cars or trucks used in the US are older than you seemed to assume.[1] [1] https://www.bts.gov/content/average-age-automobiles-and-truc...

They have been collecting data since 2014, with some car manufacturers as early as 2010. Also, average age of vehicle isn’t a good metric when a lot of vehicles in the US are registered but never driven.

The statistics I linked were Average Age of Automobiles and Trucks in Operation in the United States. The title said in operation not registered. The sources suggested market research not registration records.

How many vehicles are registered but never driven? According to what source?

The statistics said the average age of light vehicles was 12.8 years. The average age of passenger cars was 14.5 years. And Consumer Reports said 32 of 44 brands offered some form of wireless data connection in 2018.[1] This implied 12 brands or more offered vehicles without wireless data connections.

[1] https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-technology/who-ow...

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

array_key_first wrote: post #414
Eisenstein wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they Democrats at that time, or not?

Fallacy: not relevant. Ideologically, they were republicans. In name only, they were Democrats. This is not some 'haha gotcha!' type thing. Real argument with real human brains don't work that way. You can be technically right but if it's on some semantic bullshit nobody cares about, then you're wrong.

It is a correction, not a gotcha. If you want to make a factual correction mean something more than it does then that is your bed to lie in, not mine.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by hobs »

theultdev wrote: post #427
hobs wrote: post #417

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Ask JD Vance, who repeatedly said that people legally in this country are illegal immigrants - and those screaming the loudest about illegal immigration walk stridently behind his banner.

I highly doubt he said that, you may want to provide a direct quote and source if you are going to throw that out there. Illegal alien is a legal term and conflating legal and illegal immigration is disingenuous to the conversation.

You should probably just... google it? https://www.npr.org/2024/09/18/g-s1-23667/vance-haiti-migran...

This was widely reported at the time, thanks for playing.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #415
Eisenstein wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they Democrats at that time, or not?

Yes, they were. They are republicans now. You arguing in bad faith here, because you very well know the democrats back then are the republicans now. The party of democrats back then is not the party of the democrats now. the democratic party represented the same people republicans represent today. You're trying to make an falsely link the democratic party today with the party in the 60's, you know that link is incorr…

All you had to do was make a point without saying something untrue. Try this:

> That's not how it is in reality, southern states (not just them though) have been doing that with homeless people too, not just immigrants.

> The south and what would be modern republicans did jim crow in the 50s and 60s, we still talk about it today, ...

Not that difficult, and you could have bypassed the whole lashing at out me for pointing out your error fiasco.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by theultdev »

hobs wrote: post #435
theultdev wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt he said that, you may want to provide a direct quote and source if you are going to throw that out there. Illegal alien is a legal term and conflating legal and illegal immigration is disingenuous to the conversation.

You should probably just... google it? https://www.npr.org/2024/09/18/g-s1-23667/vance-haiti-migran... This was widely reported at the time, thanks for playing.

Just as I suspected, spin.

They were specifically talking about Haitians and the TPS status.

He's saying they had no right to do that under the law.

It's the same mess they got us into with DACA.

So you have illegal aliens, protected under these very fragile and most likely unconstitutional EOs, when it's really not their authority.

I partly agree with your original statement "changes to suit those in power". Yes, that is the problem, when Democrats are in power.

It is the authority of CONGRESS. Vance is respecting that authority and saying he's ignoring the blatant disregard of it during the Biden admin.

I'm all for adjusting our immigration laws. But things like TPS and DACA just cause more problems.

Until then, enforce the current laws on the books.

Those other programs are revoked just as easily as they were added, because that's not how you do it.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by CrimsonRain »

belorn wrote: post #397
jesterson wrote: post #373

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Not only this does good to society in the obvious way, but also creates jobs as someone needs to clean those. Kudos to the guy, who single-handedly doing what almost all politicians miserably fail at.

Is it good for society to disable traffic cameras? Here in Sweden, traffic camera is used exclusively to reduce traffic speed on roads where the maximum speed is too fast for installing traffic bumps, with an expected effect of reducing traffic speed by around 20-30%. They are generally only installed on 60-90km/h roads, around road maintenance/construction sites, and in tunnels. They active when the radar detects sp…

Speed cameras help really little with preventing accidents unless we're talking about 200 at 100. Put in cameras that detect tailgating/not maintaining enough distance relative to speed.

Now people can go faster while being safer.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by lacker »

helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

There are a lot of Flock supporters out there. In my neighborhood, homeowners can volunteer to put Flock cameras on their property, and a number of people are doing this.

It's like having a Ring doorbell and sharing the feed with the police, which is also pretty popular in some areas. If you trust your local police to ethically fight crime, why not help them out?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by lacker »

marssaxman wrote: post #352
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

Some guy I once met in a bar told me that he liked to mix a 1:1 solution of elmer's glue and water, put it into a spray bottle, set the nozzle to "stream", then squirt it all over the lens of a traffic camera near his house which he found offensive. His logic was that this made more sense than destroying the camera, because he could do it over and over and over: the company operating it would have to send someone out…

It makes sense to me that criminals, like this guy you met in a bar, are opposed to Flock cameras.
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