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Post by oblio »

trhway wrote: post #313
oblio wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only the Western Roman Empire fell and even that part was fairly on track to recovery once Charlemagne came into the scene. The fall of the Roman Empire is a pop history trope at this point.

Charlemagne empire wasn't an interconnected fabric of roads, trade, centralized administration and so forth, ie. it wasn't all that that Roman Empire was, and all that having gone is the fall of Roman Empire. Charlemagne empire was just an aggregation of conquered lands under his personal rule which thus he easily divided between his sons.

Yes, but my point was that a large state was created and managed centrally for quite a long time, and even the successor states were large.

More than that, technology continued to evolve. The Romans had nothing like Medieval plate armor, for example. There are many examples of better tech from the supposed "Dark Ages".

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by oblio »

snovv_crash wrote: post #329
oblio wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, Samsung flat out copied iPhone exactly almost. Which iPhone?

The one with the rounded corners, obviously.

They're similar but hardly "clones", I find that the Samsung one has enough of its own flair, especially the back.

https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone-pictures-1827.php

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-pictures-311...

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by contravariant »

Doxin wrote: post #5

Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

I'm also inclined to believe the reason for the decision was intelligence and not politics, because if it was political the parties responsible likely wouldn't shut up about until the next election. As of now there's been effectively 0 reaction from any political party. Though maybe that will change.

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Post by williamdclt »

vladms wrote: post #429
noobermin wrote: post #310

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The age of globalism and unfettered free trade is over, and good riddance.

Some will win and some will loose without free trade as well. Or do you think without free trade everybody will be great? For me consumerism seems much worse than free trade. Buying clothes and use it once, change the car each year or other similar behaviors seem unsustainable because nobody cares about the generated garbage or the energy/material requirements. Sure, now in some countries we can associate free trade…

> For me consumerism seems much worse than free trade. Buying clothes and use it once, change the car each year or other similar behaviors seem unsustainable because nobody cares about the generated garbage or the energy/material requirements.

I don't believe in putting the responsibility on individuals. Billions upon billions of whatever currency are being poured into ads, marketing, influencing, lobbying, propaganda (and whatever other manipulation mechanism I'm not thinking of), employing some of the most brilliant mind of this generation, to ensure that individuals are consumerist. Because that's what will make companies the most money, and "making more money" is the only incentive this society has in place.

Show me the incentive and I show you the outcome: the outcome is enormous externalities. We need to fix the incentives, not expect individuals to somehow act against them en masse.

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Post by yuye »

vachina wrote: post #230
corimaith wrote: post #100

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>As soon as China tries to compete with the rich monopolies, the "free market" goes out of the window and becomes "free to do as we tell you". When China cannot compete with incumbents those protections also go up and when they can now people like you appeal to free trade (while ignoring existing protections). You are being overly charitable to one side here. Which is it? Free trade or Protectionism?

A big distinction is the Chinese do not meddle with affairs outside their borders.

China definitely meddles with the affairs of other countries. The belt and road initiative, for example. It's taking some pages out of Europe's old colonial playbook.

And let's not even get started on Taiwan...

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by yuye »

vachina wrote: post #324
LunaSea wrote: post #318

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They do, all the time. Price dumping is one example. Industrial and scientific espionage is another one. Hacking companies is one more.

I don’t think those count as meddling with affairs. Those are like, daily business for an average American company.

Just because the USA does it doesn't mean China is innocent.

But whataboutism is basically SOP for the CCP shills.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by jacquesm »

trymas wrote: post #326
Doxin wrote: post #5

Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

> "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) At least in my tongue - this would mean “brain drain”.

More likely: IP drain. IP was specifically mentioned in the complaint.

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Post by ahmetrcagil »

amai wrote: post #362

As long as western companies cannot freely buy companies in China the reverse shouldn't be possible, too. Business with dictatorships must stop as soon as possible. In fact it should be forbidden. Nothing good comes out of that. I hope we will see more moves like this from democratic governments.

How delusional must you be to think any western civilization can afford to stop all trade/business with china. Entirety of western civilization is currently propped up by chinese manufacturing.

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Post by yuye »

skrebbel wrote: post #393
vincentkriek wrote: post #335

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And ASML is not in Holland, nor is Nexperia or ASMI. I can't think of any semiconductor business in "Holland".

ASML has offices in Delft, so in proper HN Standard Pedantic Form: Well, actually there is!

And to be extremely pedantic, machines are not built there.

It's a tiny satellite office.

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