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Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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I wonder if the solar panels could be tailored themselves to be a balcony, but with a rather distinct look. That would be a massive win. I bet some people wouldn't install it now because it looks kinda meh.

Solar facades can be bought with your desired looks https://solarix-solar.com/en/solar-panels-on-the-facade

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There was no strong push way from nuclear energy, just a continuation of Germany's general nuclear energy path. Studies also showed that this had no negative effect on electricity prices. Core voters of the green party are mostly highly educated people[1]. There are not many more women than men in their voters[2]. I hear the first time about public employmemt, and haven't seen any statistics about that. Regarding ene…

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> dependency on gas of Putin which greens have not been a fan of, because of ecological issues as well as the danger of Putin which only the greens recognized before Putin started the war on Ukraine.

https://x.com/i/status/1497948385495687169 (captured from election debate 2021)

https://euractiv.de/news/baerbock-kritisiert-einigung-zu-nor...

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1.) Russia is already sending drones to border countries. 2.) Russian politicians openly talk about such possibility. 3.) Russian interest in expansion is no secret. War with Russia is a real possibility. Considering NATO is not reliable anymore (due USA being less then reliable partner) , considering China seem to low key support Russia, it is not even crazy from the Russian side.

On drones: there is no evidence of that. The supposed "drone ship" that was siezed by France turned out to be crewed by Chinese and had no drones or weapons on board. A Croatian citizen were arrested regarding the drone near Frankfurt airport. Three Germans were arrested regarding the drones near Oslo. Consider what Russia could possibly have to gain by randomly flying drones near civilian airports... nothing? Consid…

Well, for some context, most new NATO members were previously under communism regimes and soviet influence in the past. After getting their freedom, the next step was to make sure they are safe from Russia.

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> The fearmongers are the Greens who believe that nuclear reactors will generate 3 headed fish. Nobody believes that, WTF? > In the meantime, we increased energy production through coal Partly true, but not really. Coal is also used for other energy-forms than just electricity. Nuclear Plants cannot cover those areas. In the grand scale, it might have been better to first reduce coal-usage and transition to purely el…

>Nobody believes that, WTF?

Why do you think Germans voted against nuclear? It was because of fear of events like Chernobyl/Fukishima etc. Then 2022 was the final blow, with documents saying that nuclear reactors didn't produce much energy and needed maintenance anyways. Kind of like getting rid of working trains to ride bikes instead. Why not. It's healthier :)

In the meantime, the world laughs at us. Literally the whole world.

You keep on mentioning the lobby of fossils, which obviously had an impact.

However, with Merkel the change was happening. At exactly the speed it was needed: 5% every couple of years, or so.

Now the only lobby I see is the one of fear that there is no tomorrow. While the countries just next to us, without even bothering China all the time, don't give 2 cents about it.

They keep on buying gas, uranium and fossils.

We on the other hand can finally build 800W solar panels on the balconies without bureaucracy. Thank God.

EDIT: with Merkel, we reached an increase of 5% per year for energy generated with renewables. Which is and was really good.

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Not a bad legacy for Robert Habeck (along with the wind reforms), the leader we needed but didn't deserve [1][2]. Interestingly he's recently dropped out of politics and taken a teaching role at UC Berkeley. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxwVR5JF8Ok 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxnnVPO9GFU

I'm not German nor do I live there, but I would have thought the legacy of Habeck would be more negative due to his opposition to nuclear.

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The plan to shut down nuclear power plants was done under the premise of a stable supply of Russian gas. This supply abruptly stopped, but instead of using the remaining nuclear power plants to mitigate the supply shock (at that time nuclear power was even classified as sustainable by the EU btw.), he even accelerated the shutdown and sold it as inevitable. In my opinion this was the worst political decision of Germa…

> the worst political decision of German politics since WW2 Except the shutdown had no negative effect. There was no supply shock and prices keep trending down since (Though that of course doesn't mean because of). Let's keep it real. I can probably name worse German political decisions from this week.

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Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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I'm not German nor do I live there, but I would have thought the legacy of Habeck would be more negative due to his opposition to nuclear.

Nuclear technology is a dead end. Renewables and saving energy is the future. Nuclear and fossil are in the same boat. They are both more risky and have huge hidden costs that the general public and future generations will have to bear. The only good reason to go nuclear these days is if you want the bomb, like Iran. Interestingly, it is the same people who supported fossil in the past who are still promoting nuclear…

Renewables have huge hidden costs as well.

Solar panels and windmills are low density sources - we need a LOT of them to get the job done, and even then you still need base load somehow.

That means a huge amount of extra powerlines and future landfill of defunct panels. Not to mention the very sturdy windmill foundations scattered around the landscape.

Say what you will about nuclear, but all of its negatives are concentrated in a small mass and volume.

The optimal, nom-ideological solution is probably a mix of nuclear, gas, and solar panels.

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Great idea! Want to learn more on the safety though... > Once in place, people simply plug a micro-inverter into an available wall outlet. later >Gründinger and experts at the German Solar Industry Association noted that the devices don’t generate enough power to strain the grid, and their standardized design and safety features allow them to integrate into balconies smoothly and easily. This seem to talk to the safe…

> What is done when electricians power down the apartment or worse, the building to work on something?

Well, I hope that any competent electrician will measure if there's still any voltage on the circuits after pulling the breakers.

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>A hectare of land is a few hundred euros per year to rent Acquiring land-use rights, permitting, environmental reviews, and zoning changes for an industrial power plant costs far more than the raw rent. >Power consumption in the EU has flatlined This is dangerously short-sighted, the mass adoption of electric vehicles and heat pumps will place enormous new demands on the grid. > put the solar farms next to some of t…

>Acquiring land-use rights, permitting, environmental reviews, and zoning changes for an industrial power plant costs far more than the raw rent. So the argument against my claim that the government and market has failed if balcony solar is cost effective, is that the government is the problem?

This isn't a government failure. The government is correctly pricing the true cost of industrial land use: the loss of farmland and natural space.

Rooftop solar is cost-effective because it cleverly avoids that cost by using land that's already developed. It's not winning because of bureaucracy, but because it's using a limited resource in a smarter way.

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A big factor in the quick return (and maybe one reason for its popularity) is that Germany has some of the most expensive electricity in the world. The ROI doesn't look as attractive in France, the US or Norway.

Some good points, i have a few thoughts to add. Norway: yes, they are doing fine (80% EV, btw, so it seems you can actually use EVs in colder weather... I think the nordics are actually way ahead of the rest of Europe when it comes to sustainable energy creation, with norway getting about 90% last year from Hydro - super impressive. https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/Norway France: I think they might turn around, beca…

Norway: 5.50 million people. Finland: 5.6 million people Sweden: 10.57 million people.

All these 3 together have slightly more population than NRW in Germany, and they have way more money.

So: almost same population, way more money and way more resources to generate energy (unless we want to consider Coal again... then we'd win).

The sooner we stop considering the Nordics as the model example the better it is for all of us in EU.

They are great countries, but very specific.

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