Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 8:34 AM UTC

daneel_w wrote: post #161

renhanxue wrote: post #152

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I'm Swedish and if someone insists on doing a transaction using cash when Swish or card is available, I'd immediately start to wonder if it's for some kind of more or less shady reason, probably tax evasion at the very least.

You have to differentiate common purchases from "large" purchases in this discussion. I'm certain you don't think there's something shady going on, or tax evasion happening, if someone uses cash in the grocery store or at Pressbyrån, or to pay for some little gadget or whatever at Kjell&Co. This is what people think of when someone "uses cash". Not hauling tens of thousands to buy a used car or to settle the bill for…

Post by cuban-frisbee » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 8:42 AM UTC

daneel_w wrote: post #161

renhanxue wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Swedish and if someone insists on doing a transaction using cash when Swish or card is available, I'd immediately start to wonder if it's for some kind of more or less shady reason, probably tax evasion at the very least.

You have to differentiate common purchases from "large" purchases in this discussion. I'm certain you don't think there's something shady going on, or tax evasion happening, if someone uses cash in the grocery store or at Pressbyrån, or to pay for some little gadget or whatever at Kjell&Co. This is what people think of when someone "uses cash". Not hauling tens of thousands to buy a used car or to settle the bill for…

Post by veeti » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 9:08 AM UTC

jobigoud wrote: post #170

Etheryte wrote: post #5

Some context might be useful here. I spent some time living Sweden not too long ago and Swedes practically don't use cash. It's usually not said out loud, but cash is often considered to be dirty and criminal, to the point that most don't have any at all. Digital payments are very convenient and deeply integrated, so long as you have a local ID which allows you use the local payment system Swish etc. This worked nice…

How do you pay for things that are just one or two euros? In my local boulangerie they don't accept cards for less than 5€, so if I just want a baguette I need to have cash.

Post by bobthepanda » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 9:20 AM UTC

dfxm12 wrote: post #275

bobthepanda wrote: post #224

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This is a function of geography. Where I live in Seattle, a lot of businesses simply don't handle cash at all, because break-ins for the cash register are quite expensive to deal with, and they circumvent that problem by simply posting outside the business that there is no cash. One of the few businesses near me that must take cash, a dispensary, recently had an issue where somebody tried to break in using a stolen p…

It's pretty much required to accept cash in Seattle: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/king-coun ...

Post by silverliver » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 9:27 AM UTC

lxgr wrote: post #404

0xWTF wrote: post #74

There's a term I saw all over someone's Google calendar schedule, pre-pandemic "DNS without asking". Now I realize it means "Do not schedule without asking" but my mind thought "Domain Name Service without asking" ... how in the hell would you do that? I guess this is similar: how do you make trustworthy decisions that seem to inherently depend on the network, in the absence of a network? Before the internet, we had…

We know exactly how to do these things digitally. Many European countries have had stored-value payment schemes in the 90s. Japan still does today. It's a completely solved problem, but it's a more complex (and as such more expensive) solution than just assuming ubiquitous connectivity and a backend that never goes down, which is how we got to where we are. > Is this motivated by a need to prepare for war? Preparing…