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Re: Kagi News

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Not the news I need. I need local news. I care about my local mayer race. I care what my school board does. I care about the local art studio events. unless you are my neighbor you don't care about my community (you have your own). If you live in big city beware that your newspaper probably is lacking your neighborhood coverage which is what you need.

Add those to list of sources Kagi News uses and create a new category and it will show up even if you are the only user of it. https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public

You miss the real problem: what I need doesn't exist. My local big city newspaper doesn't normally send reporters to the local things I care about. They paste the meeting minutes of the city consul meeting, but those are "debated a proposal from some business, voted, then passed" - what was the proposals, what points were debated, who votes which way (if they can tell). I need this information because in a month there is an election and I want to know who to vote for/against, but without going to the meetings I don't know who is worth voting for. (these meetings are the same night as the school board, and other city meetings so it isn't even possible for me to attend them all even if I didn't have other things I also need/want to do in life)

Re: Kagi News

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Add those to list of sources Kagi News uses and create a new category and it will show up even if you are the only user of it. https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public

You miss the real problem: what I need doesn't exist. My local big city newspaper doesn't normally send reporters to the local things I care about. They paste the meeting minutes of the city consul meeting, but those are "debated a proposal from some business, voted, then passed" - what was the proposals, what points were debated, who votes which way (if they can tell). I need this information because in a month ther…

How can Kagi help?

Re: Kagi News

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> Endless scrolling is a big indicator that you're a consumer not a customer. Someone recently highlighted the shift from social networks to social media in a way I'd never thought about: >> The shift from social networks to social media was subtle, and insidious. Social networks, systems where you talk to your friends, are okay (probably). Social media, where you consume content selected by an algorithm, is not. (im…

> Social media and 24/7 news (read: shoving content from strangers into your eyeballs) is the synthetic CDO of content, with about the same underlying utility. This is a great way to put it. Much of the social media content is a derivative/synthetic representation of actual engagement. Content creators and influencers can make us "feel" like we have a connection to them (eg: "get ready with me!" type videos), but it'…

Parasocial relationships have always been a thing. People felt like they 'knew' celebrities and would commit weird acts of stalking or violence when that worldview was shattered.

but now it's ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE and almost completely socially acceptable. In fact, people look at you weird if you don't have a favorite youtuber or what-have-you.

It's not healthy. Not healthy one bit. Whereas it used to be for 'others' (meaning rich and famous people who lived lives we could never hope for), parasocial relationships tend to be focused on people who are 'just like us' now. There's probably something in there to be studied.

Re: Kagi News

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IIUC, the basis for this claim is that Kagi pays Yandex (a Russian search company) for access to Yandex's image search API. Is that the entirety of their link to Russia? If so, it seems like a stretch to accuse them of being a "Russian disinfo laundering service" (GP's words, not yours), but this is my first time hearing this, so if I'm missing something, I'm all ears.

You haven't been missing much. Just have been very sad to give up the best search after receiving that nice yellow t-shirt of theirs and not given even an option to opt out from Yandex. But war is war and even more so when its on your doorsteps. Sad story, is all.

Makes total sense. Please don't take my comment as a defense of Russia. I can understand not wanting any of your money flowing into the Russian economy, especially with Russian violence so close to home.

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Love how it only took 8 years to go from "Fake News!" to "News May Be Fake"

FWIW, as someone who has chosen to pay for Kagi for three years now: - I agreee fake news is a real problem - I pay for Kagi because I get more much more precise results[1] - They have a public feedback forum and I think every time I have pointed out a problem they have come back with an answer and most of the time also a fix - When Kagi introduced AI summaries in search they made it opt in, and unlike every other AI…

To late to edit, but I probably started using Google somewhere between February 2001 and July 2003, not in 2005.

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I think the whole "if it's free, you're the product" nugget of information has not been broadly understood by folks, or if it has, maybe folks don't care as much about their data. I do live these days with the understanding that pretty much all of my personal info is out there one way or another, a social security number is about as private as a phone number these days.

I think people genuinely don't realize how invasive the data gathered is. If they knew what engineers and admins can see, they'd be floored

Totally, I think there are lots of assumptions of its just the data they explicitly put into the system, eg: "likes", "comments", "photos", but not the darker side of correlating activity across sites, interests, building profiles of you, selling your history, etc.

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That's weird. I set the language to English, but the stories in the Brazil category are still in Portuguese.

There are different settings for interface language and story language. Might it be that your story language is "default" (this appears to mean untranslated) and your interface language is set to English?

Yes, that is correct.

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Love how it only took 8 years to go from "Fake News!" to "News May Be Fake"

There's too much demand for fake news, plenty of subsidy for it, and it's far easier to make. Non fake news is going to be restricted to pay services like Bloomberg terminals.

And paid newspapers, hopefully.

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You miss the real problem: what I need doesn't exist. My local big city newspaper doesn't normally send reporters to the local things I care about. They paste the meeting minutes of the city consul meeting, but those are "debated a proposal from some business, voted, then passed" - what was the proposals, what points were debated, who votes which way (if they can tell). I need this information because in a month ther…

How can Kagi help?

I don't think they can. What we need are boots on the ground in each community. That means money to pay a lot of reporters. Which isn't compatible with a "Free (gratis) news" world. Even with ad supported news it is hard to get enough money to pay the people needed. And then we have to ask about bias - I wouldn't support a lot of reporters because they misrepresent my views politically in various ways.

It is a hard problem.

Re: Kagi News

#440

Kagi, please, please, please don't fall into the Mozilla trap and waste your time creating a whole bunch of useless side projects that never succeed, to the detriment of the one thing that we all need you to do. You have a great search service. Please focus on that. Build that into an actual Google-beater. Provide the features your customers actually want. Spend your time, money, and energy making that the greatest s…

Unlike Mozilla's browser, I'd like to believe that our search engine is getting better with each update? Mozilla fell into this trap as its business model was fundamentally broken (majority revenue coming from biggest compatitor). Our business model is healthy and the more apps we have in the ecosystem the stronger the ecosystem gets.

> the more apps we have in the ecosystem the stronger the ecosystem gets

that only works if the apps somehow reinforce each other, and spending time developing one app also adds something to the other apps. I'm not sure that's true here. I don't see how an LLM-based news service makes your search service stronger?

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