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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by gambiting »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #400
bravura wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American living in Europe, I have seen Europe do "no cameras by default" quite successfully.

Are dash cams / bicycle cams not ubiquitous in Europe by now? I would have thought they would be very useful for adjudicating high cost events such as automobile collisions, or even police interactions.

Like most things with "Europe" - it depends, because it isn't one state with universal laws or even cultural expectations. Go to somewhere like Poland and everyone will have a dashcam and it's almost expected at this point(imho). But in neighbouring Germany you are technically allowed to have a dashcam, but any recording is legally inadmissable in any court case. So even if you have a recording of someone crashing into you, it can't be used because the other person never agreed to be recorded. Meanwhile Austria and Portugal have banned them completely, even for personal use.

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Post by hahn-kev »

carlosjobim wrote: post #226
squigz wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone asks you not to record them at their own event , and you do, you're an asshole.

A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. The purpose is so that as many people as possible should know that these people are taken. Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. They can have a quiet and private ceremony instead if they have stage fright.

So if you have a quiet and private ceremony is it ok to ask people who come to that not to take pictures?

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Post by djoldman »

I am not a lawyer.

In the USA, anyone is allowed to photograph, video, or otherwise record anything they can see from a public sidewalk, subject to some soft restrictions like it being illegal to impede the movement of others. Any attempt by law enforcement or others to restrict this would likely fail in the courts.

Folks can get pretty upset by this in the real world.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

gms7777 wrote: post #108
eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

I’m currently wedding planning and regularly visit a wedding planning forum. I was left flabbergasted the other day when someone posted if it would be ok to ask guests to not post pictures of the couple on social media. They’re ok with guests posting pictures of themselves or of the venue and decor, they just don’t really want pictures of the bride and groom. The response ranged from “you can ask but you can’t preven…

I attended my first GenZ wedding a couple of months ago and they (someone on behalf of the couple) announced this request. It applied specifically to the wedding itself, not the post-wedding party (at the same venue).

Certainly the first time it had ever come up, but it made sense to me. If you're invited to someone's wedding, it's only natural to respect their wishes.

Not everything needs to be documented online!

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Post by andrewla »

jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

I think there is at least something of a middle ground for almost-but-not-quite-public spaces and events. In this case the author is talking about airsoft games; it seems totally reasonable for the venue or organizer to enact policies, whether "no cameras allowed" or "purple helmet means don't show / blur this person".

In fully public spaces I think we're pretty much out of luck, though I do think that laser/lidar-based countermeasures should be legal.

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Post by legacynl »

everdrive wrote: post #315
callc wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basic human decency. Just as the author says: “Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me.” It doesn’t fall to the legal level, but a social rules level. People who obnoxiously recording people in public, even if 100% legal, and disregard the wishes and conform of others around them dese…

>Basic human decency. You've got a very large, diverse population without a strong social identity and ever-fraying trust. So you won't consistently get basic human decency any longer. That's something which is extended to the in-group with which you have real social ties and obligations. Most people don't have this any longer.

let's not make grand conclusions from singular observations, especially if they align with your own opinions. That's a recipe for deluding yourself.

Human decency still exists as it has always done. But perhaps not in a form that we all agree on.

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Post by tokai »

praptak wrote: post #397

How does the new Denmark "copyright on your body, face and voice" work in this aspect? I read that the intention is to combat deepfakes but does it also work for uses like this?

It wouldn't do anything in this case. Its only about manipulated media content that imitate personal characteristics.

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Post by chb »

notatoad wrote: post #378
jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

I think the context of the original article is important: at an airsoft range, you’re on private property. You’ve signed a waiver to be there, there’s already rules to follow. Having formal rules for filming would be a totally reasonable and practical thing to do. Just like some gyms are accommodating to people filming TikTok’s and some aren’t, an airsoft range could have camera or no camera days, if that was somethi…

This. People should either be banned from filming at the private site, or be required to agree to some form of consent seeking.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

djoldman wrote: post #433

I am not a lawyer. In the USA, anyone is allowed to photograph, video, or otherwise record anything they can see from a public sidewalk, subject to some soft restrictions like it being illegal to impede the movement of others. Any attempt by law enforcement or others to restrict this would likely fail in the courts. Folks can get pretty upset by this in the real world.

The story is about a person on private grounds. They could talk to the owner and ask them to make a rule about no filming, but the owners probably like filming because if a cut goes viral on their airsoft grounds, it's like free advertising.

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Post by wang_li »

mothballed wrote: post #136

I wonder what would happen if someone wore a T-shirt with an ITAR restricted weapons blueprint on it or something. Hypothetically it would be legal to display that in public in the US, but illegal to post it publicly facing for foreigners to access on the internet. Even if it were a gray area, the serious penalties would probably be enough to make someone want to blur it out.

ITAR was circumvented for PGP by publishing a book of the source code and exporting that. I fail to see how publishing a video would be different.
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