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That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus

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Re: That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus

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Post by snozolli »

philwelch wrote: post #259
bongodongobob wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people are getting fired over making comments about Charlie Kirk on social media.

There’s something hypocritical about a person who thinks it’s an injustice for them to be fired for expressing their opinions, when that opinion is that they are glad Charlie Kirk was murdered for expressing his opinions. Karl Popper said, “But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but…

when that opinion is that they are glad Charlie Kirk was murdered

I have yet to see anyone express that opinion. I've seen plenty of dark jokes, and even more comments calling him out for saying that the second amendment is worth a few deaths, but I haven't seen a single person say they're glad he was murdered.

I tried to look up the supposed 30k tweets that have been collected by the site used for organized harassment, but it doesn't seem to be openly published, counter to their promise.

Re: That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus

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Post by ceejayoz »

viggity wrote: post #412
ceejayoz wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except people are often being fired for quoting Charlie Kirk verbatim . The First Amendment doesn't apply to only citizens.

Does the second amendment apply to non-citizens? I'm against the government jailing a visa holder for their speech, but revoking their visa is not jail.

> Does the second amendment apply to non-citizens?

There's some current disagreement on that in the courts after Bruen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Rifle_%26_Pisto...)!

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/24...

We'll see.

There is… little disagreement on this aspect of the First/Fourth/Fifth/etc., though.

> revoking their visa is not jail

The First Amendment protects you from non-jail government consequences just fine, for obvious reasons - "we're fining you $1M for your speech" would have just as much impact.

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Post by marcosdumay »

dekhn wrote: post #378
marcosdumay wrote: post #374

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Because there is no real doubt about those. If some media comes disagreeing, they are blatantly lying. Also, there should not be diverging narratives about whether if you jump off a cliff, you will fall.

there is more scientific doubt about the true effectiveness of COVID vaccines than you think.

Do you have any study that found any of the 3 western ones ineffective?

The effect is so strong and universal that everybody finds it.

Re: That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

gaoshan wrote: post #262

There is so much to address in this post but I want to look at just this part: "One of the reasons we know this story is bogus is because of the New York Times story which cites anonymous officials, “speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation”. That’s not a thing, that’s not a valid reason to grant anonymity under normal journalistic principles. It’s the “Washington Game” of “official…

It's possible the author is wrong, but one should consider the author's history and demonstrated technical proficiency, e.g., the programs he has written. Take a look at his code. He has been around much longer than "blogs" and "Substack"

IMHO, he is also proficient at explaining complex topics involving computers. If others have differing opinions, feel free to share

Anyone know where can we see parent commenter's code or something that demonstrates their knowledge of computers, computer networks or particular knowledge of "SIM farms"

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Post by marcosdumay »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #426
marcosdumay wrote: post #326

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There should not be conflicting narratives on the press about things like if the COVID vaccines work or not, or if the disease kills people or not. Or if the world is warming.

In a free country, people can publish whatever nonsense they want.

In a healthy society the professional media shouldn't be composed of lying crackpots.

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Post by [deleted] »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #402
aedocw wrote: post #240

There is a lawyer (Alec Karakatsanis) who has been writing about police driven propaganda for years. His recent book "Copaganda" is fantastic. He carefully breaks down how major papers (NYT is chief among them) create stories that fit a narrative by using very one-sided sources. Like an article on crime written in bad faith where the only people quotes are police, police consultants, and ex-police. It's a really good…

Who else would you have the journalists talk to, in order to get the other side of the story? Criminals?

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Post by hnlmorg »

whatsupdog wrote: post #216
hnlmorg wrote: post #193

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I cannot about the NYT, but the BBC is one of the most impartial sources available. So much so that the left and the right accuse the BBC of biasing the other in equal measures! If you want to talk about bias in the UK press then you’re better off looking towards The Sun, The Mail and anything owned by Murdoch (that guy has done so much damage to the world it’s unreal).

> BBC is one of the most impartial sources available. I really hope that is sarcasm. BBC is highly skewed to the left. No debate on that. Can you show me any story on BBC that is biased to the right?

> BBC is highly skewed to the left. No debate on that.

The fact that you argued that shows there is some debate. ;)

> Can you show me any story on BBC that is biased to the right?

No, because my point is that it isn’t biased to the left nor right.

What the BBC does is offer both sides of the political spectrum to have equal time sharing their arguments.

If you think that’s biased then what you’re actually saying is that the left deserves less time than the right. Thus it’s not the BBC exhibiting bias.

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Post by knowitnone3 »

roody15 wrote: post #98

Once a Chinese grad student explained to me a difference he noted between Chinese and American citizens. He said in China no really reads or watches 24/7 major news outlets in China. They are fully aware that all of it is propaganda and just go about their life. He said Americans seem to get really emotional over content in the press and seem to really struggle with the idea of propaganda / journalism in the news. I…

Perhaps propaganda is not the right word. I think a better word is "sensationalized" which happens often even here on HN with titles trick people into clicking on the link. With each click having monetary value, this is just the norm.

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Post by unethical_ban »

philwelch wrote: post #259
bongodongobob wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people are getting fired over making comments about Charlie Kirk on social media.

There’s something hypocritical about a person who thinks it’s an injustice for them to be fired for expressing their opinions, when that opinion is that they are glad Charlie Kirk was murdered for expressing his opinions. Karl Popper said, “But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but…

People were getting doxxed for far less than "celebrating murder". Saying he was a bad person made you eligible for your name, location, picture and job to be plastered on a doxxing site before it got hacked and shut down.

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Post by avazhi »

> New York Times story which cites anonymous officials, “speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation”. That’s not a thing, that’s not a valid reason to grant anonymity under normal journalistic principles

Stopped reading right here. That is a completely valid reason to talk to the media and happens quite often only under that specific condition.

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