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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by wraptile »

yawaramin wrote: post #396
pmdr wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I'm already bombarded with cloudflare captchas when using Firefox, especially on Linux. Residential IP address. I'm suspicious of everything cloudflare is doing right now.

You're bombarded with Cloudflare captchas because bots are heavily scraping the websites you're browsing and they are struggling to stay online by putting in place heavy-handed bot-fighting tactics. Without Cloudflare, you wouldn't have the website you're browsing.

> Without Cloudflare, you wouldn't have the website you're browsing

What ridiculous statement.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by krmboya »

blinkingled wrote: post #416

I am happy for a new browser/engine but I'm highly skeptical that Ladybird will ever come close to Chrome or Firefox in terms of features, compatibility and performance. It's just very hard to imagine. There's servo and look at where it is after 13 years! No offense to anyone really but browser engines are inhumane amount of talent and effort. Might as well just keep making Firefox better.

Firefox doubled down on using/selling user data for advertising purposes, so that's a big reason for avoiding it.

I held onto it as someone who didn't even like the politics of the people behind it (the beauty of open source), for the sake of browser engine diversity, but changing terms of service of use of personal data was the final blow

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by hakfoo »

skybrian wrote: post #113
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #87

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To add to this, Apple’s share of the control is minimal and precarious. A timeline where Google is the sole web engine authority could easily become reality and is even likely. Hedging on a promising upstart makes a lot of sense.

I haven’t seen any signs that Apple will abandon Safari, have you? Also, a browser that uses Chromium could put a halt to Google’s plans if they wanted. The easiest way would be to stop upgrading and just port over security patches. (Sure, it brings progress to a halt, but this is unlikely to matter to web developers in the short run and it would get people’s attention.) They aren’t going to do this, though, so long…

Is keeping up with "just security patches" on Chromium reasonable?

As sickening as thought as it is, the best hope there is Microsoft-- they can afford to hire the necessary army of developers, and their incentives are aligned just far enough away from Google's that they would have reasons to do it.

The problem is that they're also in the ad economy now, so their opportunity to play it for relevance is shot.

They had a window where they could have said "Edge: the Chromium-based browser that treats uBlock Origin as a first-class citizen" but instead they'd rather add weird popups to credit card fields asking if I want to use Klarna instead.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by hakfoo »

scq wrote: post #407
skybrian wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how AMP eventually died, it seems unlikely that web developers would go along with it. What’s in it for them? Also, I don’t see any sign that Google even wants to do it? This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.”

There's no way to test on Safari without either buying Apple hardware or subscribing to services like Browserstack. This is a problem of Apple's own making.

I wish Apple had some sort of "Geforce Now" style setup to run a Mac in a box. I know they'd never go for something like a legit image you could run in a VM, but surely they could come up with something.

My work sent over some old MacBook for when we need to test something unique to Safari, so it's not even the hardware aspect. It's the "I need to find another place to stash a machine, and then wire up KVM switches to use my highly opinionated I/O device choices, on a finite sized desk" factor.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by didibus »

dcreater wrote: post #428
didibus wrote: post #381

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I think Public Benefit Corporation (PBC) are a way to try and solve that problem. I recently switched to Kagi and their Orion browser, and that's when I learned about PBCs. A PBC legally takes a triple mandate, the first is just as any for-profit corp, to maximize shareholder value, the second is to the benefit of the stakeholders, and the last can be anything they write down when they register as a PBC. The Delaware…

> A PBC legally takes a triple mandate where are you getting this? PBC has no actual legal aspect to it at all - its all self reporting and self adherence. PBC is more marketing/signalling than legal requirements

I was taking it from here: https://delcode.delaware.gov/title8/c001/sc15/

But IANAL. I am just learning about this, so I'm curious, if you know more than I do, please share.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

pmdr wrote: post #155
robinhood wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

> I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I'm already bombarded with cloudflare captchas when using Firefox, especially on Linux. Residential IP address. I'm suspicious of everything cloudflare is doing right now.

Anecdotally, I'm not. I always use Firefox (or Zen) and get almost no Captchas. Neither at home, nor at work. Not on Windows, not on Linux, not on macOS.

I'm not going to say that Cloadflare isn't doing anything fishy, but if they are, it's probably more complicated.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by rtaylorgarlock »

arunc wrote: post #348
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

I don't really mind 7GB ISO file. What gets my nerve is the default packaging of shit-load of unnecessary apps.

Into an Arch install, and Arch already has an install script. I know it doesn't spit out a usable ultra pretty system. I think it's a good thing the Arch system doesn't require a single whole-drive LUKS configuration, meaning you get to do the thing we talk about as a sort of benchmark in the devops world: setting up Arch with one or a few encrypted volumes. Strange to me to hear me criticizing linux spreading, yet...

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by johntash »

xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

I wanted to try Omarchy out on my endeavouros desktop, but got annoyed that there wasn't a simple install script. I don't really want to re-install my whole OS just to try a new DE config.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by rtaylorgarlock »

sbinnee wrote: post #387
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

It’s not for me either. I peeked at the script and repo the other day. There were choices I wouldn’t make, but it’s written opinionated in the front. That’s totally fine by me. It is definitely making Linux more accessible. Yet still new comers to Linux will struggle when they want to do sightly more than what Omarchy offers. In that sense, the current Omarchy may not be _accessible_. But I think with this amount of…

I wonder how many will or already have followed the Omarchy path without realizing the difficulty they'll have dual booting.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by rtaylorgarlock »

sgloutnikov wrote: post #359
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

The install script is still there, you don't have to use the ISO [0]. I prefer to do my own btrfs subvolumes, partitioning, tweaks, etc and just run the script after a base install. Uninstalling anything is a matter of seconds from the provided menus. [0] https://learn.omacom.io/2/the-omarchy-manual/96/manual-insta...

I was curious, and i wasn't able to run an earlier version of the install script into a system i'd already set up; script complained about non-encrypted volumes. That was enough for me to walk away.
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