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Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by fluoridation »

bogwog wrote: post #193
tremon wrote: post #83

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I'm not convinced. The latest Battlemage benchmarks I've seen put the B580 at the same performance as the RTX 4060 (which is a two years old entry-level card) but with 50% more power consumption (80W vs 125W average). It's good to have more than one open source supporting graphics vendor, but I don't think Nvidia is losing any sleep over Intel's GPU offerings.

This is very short-sighted. The cards are improving , which can't really be said about AMD, the only other potential threat to Nvidia. It's also well known that Nvidia purposefully handicaps their consumer cards to avoid cannibalizing their enterprise cards. That means that the consumer market at least is not as efficient/optimal as it could be, so a competitor actually trying to compete (unlike AMD, apparently) shou…

>cheaper multi-gpu setups

Nah, nobody cares about that. Even in their heyday, SLI and CrossFire barely made sense technologically. That market is basically non-existent. There's more people now wanting to run multiple GPUs for inference than there ever were who were interested in SLI, and those people can mix and match GPUs as they like.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by paganel »

jszymborski wrote: post #376
paganel wrote: post #189

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That's how post-WW2 France was actually rebuilt. You could also see big hints of that in the US WW2 economic effort, which couldn't have been done without the Government taking a direct hold of things and instituting central-ish planning.

You're speaking of what is referred to as neo-corporatism [0] and it's a tripartite, democratic process, not the fascist sort where everything is within and for the benefit of the state [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Neo-corporatism [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatis...

> democratic process,

There was not that much democracy in the French post-WW2 technocratic establishment, but I agree that they were not technically fascist (nor otherwise).

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by maxlin »

hexator wrote: post #277
maxlin wrote: post #268

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Where exactly did he say anything remotely violent

If you watch the clip and know what's going on in the US right now, saying such vile disinformation now nothing but aims to up the temperature.

That's the deciding reason he got shut down too. Absolute inability to read the "room", even though what he said would be ugly at any point.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by monocasa »

bee_rider wrote: post #307
evanjrowley wrote: post #211

Nvidia's stake in Intel could have terrible consequences. First, it is in Nvidia's interest to kill Intel's Arc graphics, and that would be very bad because it is the only thing brighing GPU prices down for consumers. Second, the death of Intel graphics / Arc would be extremely bad for Linux, because Intel's approach to GPU drivers is the best for compatibility, wheras Nvidia is actively hostile to drivers on Linux.…

Apparently it is 5% ownership. Does that give them enough leverage to tank Intel’s iGPUs? That would seem weird to be. Intel’s iGPUs are an incredibly good solution for their (non-glamorous) niche. Intel’s dGPUs might be in a risky spot, though. (So… what’s new?) Messing up Intel’s iGPUs would be a huge practical loss for, like, everyday desktop Linux folks. Tossing out their dGPUs, I don’t know if it is such a huge…

We'd have to see their cap table approximation, but I've seen functional control over a company with just a hair over 10% ownership given the voting patterns of the other stock holders.

5% by about any accounting makes you a very, very influential stockholder in a publicly traded company with a widely distributed set of owners.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by cptskippy »

bpt3 wrote: post #220
tw04 wrote: post #191

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>Consumer gpus are totally different products from the high end gpus now. Intel has failed on the gpu market and has effectively zero market share, so it is not actually clear there is an antitrust issue in that market. It would be nice if there was more competition but there are other players like AMD and a long tail of smaller ones I'm sorry that's just not correct. Intel is literally just getting started in the GP…

Intel has been making GPUs for over 25 years. Claiming they are just getting started is absurd. To that point, they've been "just getting started" in practically every chip market other than x86/x64 CPUs for over 20 years now, and have failed miserably every time. If you think Nvidia is doing this because they're afraid of losing market share, you're way off base.

There's a very big difference between the MVP graphics chips they've included in CPUs and the Arc discrete GPU.

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Post by maxlin »

jjkaczor wrote: post #279
maxlin wrote: post #268

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Actually - he didn't he made fun of Trump ditching the memorial service... Which Trump did.

You clearly didn't see the clip; what you describe was just a part of it, and there Trump appears to just have not heard the question.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by monocasa »

giveita wrote: post #422
bee_rider wrote: post #307

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Apparently it is 5% ownership. Does that give them enough leverage to tank Intel’s iGPUs? That would seem weird to be. Intel’s iGPUs are an incredibly good solution for their (non-glamorous) niche. Intel’s dGPUs might be in a risky spot, though. (So… what’s new?) Messing up Intel’s iGPUs would be a huge practical loss for, like, everyday desktop Linux folks. Tossing out their dGPUs, I don’t know if it is such a huge…

Would be antitrust right?

Which would take an administration that cared about enforcing anti trust for the stated reasons behind anti trust laws.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by maxlin »

lobsterthief wrote: post #282
maxlin wrote: post #268

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He didn’t say anything violent. Have you watched the monologue? Even if he did (which he didn’t), I don’t see Fox shutting down anything when one of their presenters recently stated, on air, that we should euthanize our homeless population.

Of course I watched it, many times. I didn't say he said anything directly violent, but he spread hateful disinformation about someone's death, entirely against FBI's findings and common sense, during a time of the highest temperatures in a while. Just to try to win the attention of people that'd rather not look in the mirror.

This is exactly the kind of disingenuous, dehumanizing behavior that radicalizes people like Tyler. And saying that right now would be like if Reagan got in to a spat about something personal during the cold war.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by throwaway984393 »

sabhiram wrote: post #378
paxys wrote: post #278

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The US government is itself a major shareholder in Intel, and has every incentive to push Intel stock over its competitors. It's almost a certainty that Nvidia was forced into this deal by the government as well. We are way beyond regulation here.

Yep, there is absolutely no problem with that at all. Never imagined politics so obviously manipulating the talking heads with nary a care about perception.

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