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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by keeda »

xtracto wrote: post #278

Just out of curiosity, how much compensation would people be willing to leave on the table in lieu of "Remote" work? (this is different to, how much would you ASK to go from remote to a new in-office job). 10%, 25%, 50%? I've worked remotely for 5 years now, and there is NO way I would return to an office based job. I even have moved to a small town where there are practically 0 tech jobs; and at this point there's N…

There have been some studies on this, turns out employees will give up quite a bit:

https://www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/charting-remot...

https://anderson-review.ucla.edu/tech-workers-take-much-lowe...

Just left a comment elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45192176), but it's likely this RTO push is partially to renegotiate to account for this perk.

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Post by dmitrygr »

rootusrootus wrote: post #419
dmitrygr wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come join GM (formerly Cruise) ADAS org. We are hiring. Work is pretty cool at every level from kernel and drivers to userspace linux to frameworks, to ML. And, as long as you are >50 mi from detroit, you are going to be fully remote. Pay is good. People are good. Jobs are posted on GM's jobs site, or reach out to me, if you'd like, and i'll connect you to the right people.

I read things like this and wish that when I was doing my masters at OMSCS I had focused more on ML. What I wouldn't give to work in a shop that was actually building something cool .

There is plenty of non-ML work to do. Drivers do not write themselves, bringup does not do itself, scripts that glue it all together do not write themselves, schematics do not review themselves :)

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Post by fingerlocks »

dymk wrote: post #297
Aurornis wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. When a company uses RTO to reduce headcount they usually include all employees , with the expectation that those who live far away from the office will resign instead of relocate. If I'm reading this right, it only applies to people who already live within 50 miles of the office. Remote-remote employees are exempt.

How many employees do you think msft has that don’t live within that 50 mile radius? I’d bet it’s an incredibly small percentage. They chose 50 miles because it’s big enough to cover almost everyone. I’m within that but my commute is two hours one direction.

There are large offices is nearly every major city in the world. On my team, two are in Canada, one is in Singapore, and another in India. All fully remote.

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Post by cwbriscoe »

hervature wrote: post #336
deejaaymac wrote: post #232

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When I was a teenager I played World of Warcraft for 5 years. During that time we did "raids" where 40 people have to pay attention and communicate, sometimes for longer than 8 hours, with people from around the globe. If teenagers can do it, adults can do it. Period. And if they can't, skill issue I guess.

Why does Liquid do the RWF in person then?

Every recent RWF, including the one a couple of weeks ago, they have at least a few people who are still remote.

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Post by mji »

zero_shift wrote: post #190

At $org, we too are undertaking a mandatory RTO order, enforced with door access logs. People are up in arms, particularly those in our smaller locales, where the offices we have are perfunctory at best. The rationale is the usual one: collaboration, watercooler chat, unspecific evidence / "research" about productivity (that we are told definitely exists, but is yet to be shared). I remain baffled by executives' obse…

I think CEO types simply believe (rightly or wrongly) that a large number of people are taking advantage of WFH to barely work.

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Post by ThinkBeat »

What always shocks me on these threads is the naiveté a bunch of Über privileged tech workers have about the job market in general.

This is it folks. Corp screws you when they can. Welcome to the machine.

For most working people, showing up at the office (or place of work) is the absolute minimum requirement.

People here seem to talk about what legal right a company has to let people go just because they didnt want to shop up at work, at the office

If you go to a restaurant, do you worry about how many hours the waiter, the chef, etc had to travel in the morning to put food in your face?

It is not for you like. It is doing what your employer requires.

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Post by Madhouse61 »

zero_shift wrote: post #190

At $org, we too are undertaking a mandatory RTO order, enforced with door access logs. People are up in arms, particularly those in our smaller locales, where the offices we have are perfunctory at best. The rationale is the usual one: collaboration, watercooler chat, unspecific evidence / "research" about productivity (that we are told definitely exists, but is yet to be shared). I remain baffled by executives' obse…

Collaboration, Water cooler chats it's all bullshit. Cut through the fat and you find C-Suites need to justify the millions being spent on Real estate.

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

wfhrto wrote: post #423
tjr wrote: post #414

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For some people, what they wear has an impact on their own performance. It's not necessarily about how others perceive them, and it's not necessarily logical. Some people work better with music, or with a window to look out... some people work better in fancier attire.

> music > window > fancier attire one of these things is not like the other

Right. Two of these is things you can see, but only one is a thing you can hear.

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Post by Nursie »

mikestew wrote: post #223
zero_shift wrote: post #190

At $org, we too are undertaking a mandatory RTO order, enforced with door access logs. People are up in arms, particularly those in our smaller locales, where the offices we have are perfunctory at best. The rationale is the usual one: collaboration, watercooler chat, unspecific evidence / "research" about productivity (that we are told definitely exists, but is yet to be shared). I remain baffled by executives' obse…

C suites are committed to spending as much as possible on real estate Executives often own the real estate and lease it back to the company. From Steve Ballmer to the owner of the tiny 85 person company I last worked at, it’s not uncommon. So, yeah, there’s often some financial incentive there.

Wasn't that one of the (many) dodgy things about wework under the original founder? Something about him buying the buildings and then having wework lease them from him?

How that guy didn't end up on the receiving end of a load of criminal charges...

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Post by Drunkfoowl »

zero_shift wrote: post #190

At $org, we too are undertaking a mandatory RTO order, enforced with door access logs. People are up in arms, particularly those in our smaller locales, where the offices we have are perfunctory at best. The rationale is the usual one: collaboration, watercooler chat, unspecific evidence / "research" about productivity (that we are told definitely exists, but is yet to be shared). I remain baffled by executives' obse…

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