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U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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Debt cycles would be one. https://youtu.be/SoKr0QVCLPA?si=kKcXNetb-kAPr1S8

That is a bad thing. It doesn't mean there aren't other contributors to our economic challenges.

Glad you agree with me! The person I originally replied to said, "these economic problems are ENTIRELY the result of bad policies"

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post #53

If unemployment continues to rise, and the one-time impact on prices of tariffs leads to self-reinforcing high inflation, we'll have stagflation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation I sure hope not , because stagflation would be extremely unpleasant for everyone. Central banks like the Federal Reserve would be forced to raise interest rates, to put stress on businesses and consumers, so businesses find themsel…

The good news is that these economic problems are entirely the result of bad policies and can be reversed. If we were to also raise broad based taxes, it would allow the Fed to cut interest rates, stoking long term investment, loosen up the housing market (which would allow more people to move), lower the Federal deficit, and improve the trade balance (as if that actually mattered).

Zoning is the bigger issue than interest rates with the housing market. Most hand over fist growth happened in our cities when there were higher interest rates but also plenty of zoned capacity. Zoned capacity is barely ahead of present population in cities with exorbitant housing prices today.

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My point is that it should be more granular. I only ever hear it described in one of three things in tension with each other: markets, jobs, inflation. Do you think you can just watch those three things and guide a country/world into a prosperous one or could there be pitfalls?

Why are you saying only those three metrics are tracked by policymakers?

I'm saying those are the only three metrics ever touched on in media. If its oblique I assume its self serving.

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A lot of current conservative grousing about the deficit is priming the electorate for destroying social security. That's why they always highlight it as the main cause of the deficit, even though it has a totally separate income stream from the rest of the budget. Republicans have done the exact opposite of balancing the budget at least since Reagan (inclusive) non-stop, zero R presidents have even done as well as d…

No party's platform is based on ending or destroying social security, especially not the GOP who gets a broad base of support from retirees. That being said, I've never had much faith in it being around for myself, though I'm 30 years from eligibility). It's possible that productivity boosts from automation and AI could overtime make SS actually sustainable in spite of overwhelming boomer population to support. The f…

Republicans, including some of the current crop, have been making noise about putting the money in the stock market, one way or another, for a long time, and if anyone’s gonna actually do it it’s these guys.

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Hmm. What else was going on around that time that might confound any conclusions? Also, a 'crash' that recovers in 90 days isn't much of a 'crash', but the fact that people consider it a 'crash' is admittedly kind of scary.

Not sure where you got 90 days from. Turns out there's a Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_stock_market_decline Perhaps you would have preferred if I said "bear market" rather than crash. At any rate the first sentence of that Buffet article you hated didn't deserve your ire.

Bear market, temporary downturn, whatever. It was not a "crash" by any sane definition of the word, and it had little or nothing to do with inflation. Otherwise we'd see the same correlation at other times when inflation has spiked.

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That gives context, but lacks the final ~900K downward revision the article is about. If it had been shown, it would be the largest revision on the chart.

Nate Silver has a previous analysis of this data https://www.natesilver.net/p/trumps-jobs-data-denialism-wont... The monthly revisions are historically all over the place, up and down. My 2024 count says six months were revised up and six were revised down.

The downward revisions were overall a lot bigger than the upward revisions. BLS methodology causes it to get data from larger companies first, and this tends to systemically bias it towards downward revisions

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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Not sure where you got 90 days from. Turns out there's a Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_stock_market_decline Perhaps you would have preferred if I said "bear market" rather than crash. At any rate the first sentence of that Buffet article you hated didn't deserve your ire.

Bear market, temporary downturn, whatever. It was not a "crash" by any sane definition of the word, and it had little or nothing to do with inflation. Otherwise we'd see the same correlation at other times when inflation has spiked.

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post #368

People often get hyper-focused on a single cause, but there is a whole range of forces driving a sharp decline in jobs. All of this is visible, yet we are marching toward an economic crisis of our own making. I believe the best term for this is "gray rhino". * Tariffs and Trade Uncertainty – Elevated tariffs and rapidly shifting trade policies are raising costs for manufacturers and discouraging hiring and investment…

Yup, introduced by Michelle Wucker at the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos, Switzerland in January 2013.

  "highly probable, high-impact, yet neglected threat that is obvious to many but often ignored until it causes significant damage."
Also contrasted with Gray Swans:

  "event that is known and possible, but which is assumed to be unlikely."
Thanks for the reference though, had not heard of the partner theories to Black Swans.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Wucker#Gray_rhinos

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_swan

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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Luckily, fiscally responsible Trump is coming in to stop all this deficit spending... oh wait.

I was going to make a glib comment that Trump is plugging the "deficit spending" of billionaire's having to pay taxes. But given Trump policies in toto, I am having trouble coming up with what a winner looks like here. Big oil I suppose. But that's a damn narrow demographic if everything else is hurting. And overall economic malaise won't juice oil demand. If anyone can characterize the class of economic winners ...…

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