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14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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don_esteban wrote: post #383
snowwrestler wrote: post #224

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In a socialist system you still need a government, which is a group of people who are empowered to enforce the rules of socialism. As a result, they end up having access to most of the collective wealth as well. If they are very good socialists they will redistribute it all. If they are not-very-good socialists they will redistribute some of it and reserve some to support a nice lifestyle for themselves and their fam…

"As a result, they end up having access to most of the collective wealth as well." Umm, it does not work like that, look at the Scandinavian-type socialism. The collective wealth is in the functioning education & health system, social support net, working public transport and such. Not a type of wealth that the government can usurp for themselves, to the detriment/exclusion of the remainder of the society. Too much i…

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Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by mrguyorama »

pjmlp wrote: post #54
cedws wrote: post #22

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I’m not aware of a single nation where the ratchet is loosening. It appears freedom is being eroded everywhere. The most disheartening thing is that nothing works to stop it. There are countries where millions of people have protested, but in time the protests always fizzle or are stamped out, and things continue on the same trajectory.

As first generation out of Salazar's dictorship, our country now having a right majority with a Nazi party in the mix, makes me really sad. How short the memory of folks can be, especially with my parents and grand parents generations still around, but apparently their memories and experiences now fall into death hears. Maybe when they start getting visits from the eventually new state protection police, they will un…

>How short the memory of folks can be, especially with my parents and grand parents generations still around

A good thing to remember is that shitloads of people didn't learn from those kinds of events.

The young adults who threw rocks at black girls going to white schools in the southern USA are still alive and still voting and still hold a grudge.

Look when the civil rights act passed, and look how hard the south went republican after that.

>Maybe when they start getting visits from the eventually new state protection police, they will understand, then it will be too late.

A lot of genuine Nazi believers went to "political" camps during the Nazi regime and they did not change their tune. They eventually got out, and just kept being Nazis, because they were Nazis because they genuinely believe the ideology. People who were literally sidelined by stupid Nazis infighting continued to advance the goals of the Nazis regime. Getting targeted and harmed by their very own regime did not change their opinion of it.

The same happened in Soviet Russia to all sorts of genuine communists who got gulag'd anyway, and still strongly held communist (stalinist even) beliefs (if they survived)

Tribalism is one of the strongest buttons humans have. We should be less surprised that it works so effectively

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by s1artibartfast »

martin-t wrote: post #167
whamlastxmas wrote: post #136

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It’s also irrefutable fact that pro-state or pro-cop agitators throughout history will pretend to be a demonstrator and throw a single brick to give the cops an excuse to break some skulls

In primitive societies where people are expected to resolve their own problems because everyone is roughly equal, violence is the principal currency, for better or worse. But in "civilized" societies with multiple layers of power structures, you are not supposed to solve your own problem, you are supposed to show somebody in a position of power that you are the victim so they solve the problem for you. This means vic…

interesting thesis, but I dont see why you focus on victimhood over every other form of leverage.

I dont think victimhood motivates those in power to take action. They care about votes. victimhood is but one of many factors driving votes.

Your conclusion supports the relevance of violence (it is always the final currency of power). your conclusion says nothing about victimhood.

How can you look around the country or world and think the victims have all the power?

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by therealdrag0 »

nomdep wrote: post #268
mandeepj wrote: post #143

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Quite similar corruption is happening here in America! Donald trump made over $3.8B since getting into office this year, while tanking farming, jobs market, and foreign relations.

He made that with the business he already had and some legal cryptocurrency investment based on capitalizing his fame. How on earth you call that "corruption"? Are you even aware of what the word means?

Is it not literally bribery, which is definition number 1 for corruption?

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Post by Fricken »

fluoridation wrote: post #429
Fricken wrote: post #428

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Not to the point of one group wanting to enact genocide on another, so that's completely irrelevant, and you know it. If Facebook hadn't existed, would the genocide still have happened? Since you seem to be in a deflecting mood, I'm going to answer for you: yes. If you have one group that hates another, removing a technological means of communication solves nothing.

The Rohingya claim they've been living in the region for over a millenium, and presumably they were able to go the whole way without getting genocided, up until Facebook arrived, that is.

>For years, Facebook, now called Meta Platforms Inc., pushed the narrative that it was a neutral platform in Myanmar that was misused by malicious people, and that despite its efforts to remove violent and hateful material, it unfortunately fell short. That narrative echoes its response to the role it has played in other conflicts around the world, whether the 2020 election in the U.S. or hate speech in India.

But a new and comprehensive report by Amnesty International states that Facebook’s preferred narrative is false. The platform, Amnesty says, wasn’t merely a passive site with insufficient content moderation. Instead, Meta’s algorithms “proactively amplified and promoted content” on Facebook, which incited violent hatred against the Rohingya beginning as early as 2012.

Despite years of warnings, Amnesty found, the company not only failed to remove violent hate speech and disinformation against the Rohingya, it actively spread and amplified it until it culminated in the 2017 massacre.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amnesty-report-finds-face...

Here's the report:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa16/5933/2022/en/

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Post by bigyabai »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #229
snapcaster wrote: post #180

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I don't like comments like this, because while you're right that many people think everything happening everywhere is the CIA. The CIA (and US gov) _has_ been involved in an absurd amount of regime changes (that we know about). CIA involvement in something like this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

If the CIA was even close to being that competent our foreign policy and intelligence wouldn’t be so horrible. A lot of authoritarians just like to blame their self grown domestic problems on the CIA. China having another stock market crash? The CIA must have done it.

Yes and no. Very few contemporary governments are accusing the CIA of starting color revolutions, especially nowadays.

But historically there are definitely examples of the CIA achieving this. Iran's 1953 coup was overwhelmingly successful and a joint operation between MI6 and CIA. The consequences irrevocably tipped the balance of power away from Pan-Arabism and towards a globalist, American-driven order.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by fluoridation »

Fricken wrote: post #437
fluoridation wrote: post #429

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Not to the point of one group wanting to enact genocide on another, so that's completely irrelevant, and you know it. If Facebook hadn't existed, would the genocide still have happened? Since you seem to be in a deflecting mood, I'm going to answer for you: yes. If you have one group that hates another, removing a technological means of communication solves nothing.

The Rohingya claim they've been living in the region for over a millenium, and presumably they were able to go the whole way without getting genocided, up until Facebook arrived, that is. >For years, Facebook, now called Meta Platforms Inc., pushed the narrative that it was a neutral platform in Myanmar that was misused by malicious people, and that despite its efforts to remove violent and hateful material, it unfor…

None of that refutes what I said.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by hliyan »

Yeul wrote: post #409
graemep wrote: post #187

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I was thinking exactly the same. I was not there at the time, but I have family there and have lived there. It was amazing how many people who were not usually politically active joined the protests, and that they attracted support across racial divisions. I think one of the problem with outside experts is that they try to reframe it in terms of the issues in their countries. For example, I have read articles trying…

Sri Lanka was borrowing from China and as you know China is the big enemy of the West. The fact that Western countries aren't investing in Sri Lanka is always conveniently ignored. The CCP aren't geniuses they just fill a vacuum.

Here's another example of what I mentioend in the grandparent post. Geopolitical misconceptions about West vs. China aside, the debt proportion held by China vs. ISB holders could have been easily looked up online.
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