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Re: 996

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Post by graemep »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #377
graemep wrote: post #260

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> here are (many) companies with revenues greater than most countries IS that true? What do you define as the revenue of a country? Tax revenues? That is just the government. GDP/GNP/GNI? That comparison for that should be profit, and only a handful of really big companies (Saudi Aramco, Apple, that sort of size) have a profit as large as the GDP of mid-size middle income countries (e.g. Sri Lanka) or small rich coun…

gdp is a revenue like number, not a profit like number.

It is closest to value added something most companies do not disclose but is closely related to profit but is NOTHING like revenue.

Re: 996

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Post by tjs8rj »

maldonad0 wrote: post #4

A materialist culture inevitably leads to this. It is the logical conclusion of a society that atomized the wholeness of life without realizing that the sum of its parts is less than the whole. But it is the reality the collective chose. I fully expect things to get worse before they get better.

The alternative is what? “Working to live” is often just making more money so you can spend it hiking, traveling, and maximizing your dopamine. Maximizing your happy chemicals is also materialist.

Working a substantive job contributing positively to the work is among the most important and fulfilling things one can do with their life, alongside raising a family

Re: 996

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Post by vlod »

scubbo wrote: post #185
robterrell wrote: post #106

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If you're smart enough to get hired for one of these roles, and you're willing to work 996, be just a little bit smarter and found your own startup and take all the upside.

> and take all the upside And all of the risk. Encouraging anyone to start their own company is deeply irresponsible. Most startups fail. If you're needing encouragement to do it - if you're not already fully deluded that you're the special snowflake unique genius who will succeed where all others have failed - you shouldn't be doing it.

Yep as the corporate job is super stable nowadays. /s

I speculate that most people here, have come under the receiving end of what "At Will" contact.

Re: 996

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Post by footy »

gambiting wrote: post #170
Aurornis wrote: post #23

When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. The only time I’d actually consider crazy schedules was if I was the founder with a huge equity stake and a once in a lifetime opportunity that would benefit from a short period of 996. For average employees? Absolutely not. If someone wants extraordinary hours they need to be providing extrao…

I think even if someone offered me couple million a year I still wouldn't do it. My kids will only be kids once - all of the money in the world is completely worthless if you miss out on your family. I appreciate some people here don't feel this way but to me that's not a trade off I would ever make. Especially since as software engineers we are privileged enough to usually command both high salaries and the ability…

I don't even have kids and I wouldn't do it for any amount of money.

I have my own (and only) life and I don't value money above that.

Re: 996

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Post by footy »

paulcole wrote: post #271
Aurornis wrote: post #23

When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. The only time I’d actually consider crazy schedules was if I was the founder with a huge equity stake and a once in a lifetime opportunity that would benefit from a short period of 996. For average employees? Absolutely not. If someone wants extraordinary hours they need to be providing extrao…

> When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. Or a helpful signal to join that company if it’s something you’re excited about. It’s crazy to me that people are so arrogant to say that somebody else is “wrong” for being excited about something.

I genuinely love my job and am excited about it and I still wouldn't do it for anywhere close to 996 hours

Re: 996

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

graemep wrote: post #431
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gdp is a revenue like number, not a profit like number.

It is closest to value added something most companies do not disclose but is closely related to profit but is NOTHING like revenue.

no, if you trade a dollar back and forth 1000 times with a friend, you are adding $1000 to the GDP.

Re: 996

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Post by paulcole »

moron4hire wrote: post #315
paulcole wrote: post #271

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> When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. Or a helpful signal to join that company if it’s something you’re excited about. It’s crazy to me that people are so arrogant to say that somebody else is “wrong” for being excited about something.

If you were genuinely excited and cared about your startup, you'd do the right thing for it and get some sleep.

Nobody ever said they were genuinely excited and cared about their startup, they said they cared about 996.

Re: 996

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Post by paulcole »

footy wrote: post #435
paulcole wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. Or a helpful signal to join that company if it’s something you’re excited about. It’s crazy to me that people are so arrogant to say that somebody else is “wrong” for being excited about something.

I genuinely love my job and am excited about it and I still wouldn't do it for anywhere close to 996 hours

Awesome! Then you should avoid someplace that works 996 like the plague.

Do you think there are 0 people in the world who are excited about long hours at work?

Re: 996

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Post by scott_w »

Kwpolska wrote: post #236
SomaticPirate wrote: post #184

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We need to collate this. Is there a repo where we can mention companies that do this? I’ve talked to HR reps who extol their amazing work life balance only to find engineering is expected to work close to a 996

And can we include on-call in the list as well?

On-call is different because it’s usually paid. Lots of businesses outside of tech do on-call and it’s not controversial at all.

Re: 996

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Post by jeremyjh »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #410
jeremyjh wrote: post #188

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They probably won’t, either.

Perhaps. I'd say the odds are higher than I thought they were a decade ago, though.

I think its unlikely to happen, but also, that they won't live through it if it does.
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